sirdroseph wrote: 
Choosing to believe is a choice.  Choosing not to believe is a choice.  Having belief that God exists is a belief.  Having belief that God does not exist is a belief.  You have them.  We all have them.  SD, I've been here for a few years and through this forum, I've come to like and respect many of the people.  Yes, people.  The ones on the other end of the monitor who typed on their keyboard through their fingers from what's in their minds and hearts.  Are you telling me that atheists don't have feelings?  Are you telling me that the words of others don't hurt you when they come from people you respect and admire when those words attack something you're passionate about?  Words are taken by and directed at those they enlighten or offend.  We have a responsibility as moralists... as logical, caring humans to abide by that if we claim to care about others' feelings. 

 MusicIsMotion wrote: 
Got me wrong Dude. I hate the game, not the players.

Religion has fucked up this world in more ways than atheists ever could have. As recently as WWII my relatives were put into a barn and burnt to death because the Catholic religion supported Hitler in his hate.

I can't respect views that I think are ridiculous and cause terrible calamity to this world, whether or not they be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever. It's like the birth control issue. Catholics are screaming because they have to pay for birth control...well, I have to pay for dirty wars. And Catholics are the biggest hypocrites in the world. But I have many Christian friends and if they want to believe, I never argue with them.

You are entitled to find comfort from your own personal god. Doesn't matter to me. But the fact that you find my non-belief in religion or god to be offensive proves my point about religion.

The end.

 hippiechick wrote: 
I'm going to try my best to leave this thread alone after this, but I have to admit.  I did learn something, so it turns out my visit here was productive after all.  I've deduced that there are two major classes of atheists.

Passive atheists: People that choose to take their own destiny and choices into their own hands and live their lives being alright with what others believe in as long as they aren't intruded upon.  They try to maintain their own spirituality for what it is: their own, and live their lives based upon a moral compass that doesn't take from others, contributes to society and obey the laws of that society.  They usually base their beliefs upon intellectual and non-biased research and self-education.

Aggressive (or "hater") atheists:  People who choose not to believe and are completely offended at the sight, speak or otherwise sensual awareness of God or someone else's belief in God (or whatever deity others believe in).  They have no respect for other people's feelings and take every opportunity to make it known how much they resent the concept of God and Jesus Christ.  They hate and disrespect authority.   They are name-callers and "haters" of The Word and enthusiastically participate in belief-bashing, not specifically or necessarily because they're being hassled, but because they aren't aware of their own center of state and seek company for their misery.  They are completely offended by any mention of religion or religion-based statements and topics. 

It's very conceivable that I'm bordering on judgement with this post and for that, I sincerely apologize.  I am human.  I am a sinner.  I absolutely admit it.

HC, you are what I define as a "hater" atheist and your paltry, hateful remarks scar the intellectual credibility of other atheists.  You are to atheists, in my opinion, as Westboro Baptist Church is to Christians.  From a Christian's point of view, Westboro does not represent the belief of my God.  They are hateful and insecure in their beliefs.  They are law without grace.  They are lost and will pay a price for misleading people to hate of others through what they preach as the Word of God.  They are a boil on the face of Christianity and a total shame to God and what He wants for all of us.   Their "god" is based upon the one-sided view of wrath without the concept of salvation through repentance.  Essentially, they are guilty of violating one of the commandments which would be idolatry.

I hope that one day you see what you don't see now.  Maybe it won't be Christianity (although I surely hope it will be), but you don't seem to have the ability to respect everyone's views and beliefs with a shred of dignity.  You're a religion-based hate-monger.  You are lost in your hate and resentment and your perspective doesn't serve you or other atheists in a healthy manner.  It has to be painful and if it is, I'm sorry for you.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
You are simply reacting to an external force. It is how a person reacts to an external force, not the force itself, that is a measure of a person.

The Dali Llama would not kill anyone, even if that person was attacking his own self.

I have have many discussions with others about this, it is a dilemma for certain.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Exactly. Atheism is not a belief, it is a non-belief.

 hippiechick wrote: 

That is a load of crap.

 hippiechick wrote: 

Instantly. He is a faulty human brought on by brain injury in courageous military service, nothing but heartfelt sympathy for what his poor family must be going through.

 MusicIsMotion wrote: 
I don't have any, that is the whole point. You cannot disrespect or offend me unless you personally attack my family or me. There is a certain elegance in beauty in that. You should not be concerned what others think of your beliefs, they are yours and yours alone.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
If taking any life allows you to sleep like a baby, that says something about you.

How do you feel about this soldier that went off the rails after serving 3 tours of duty and killed all those Afghani people? Should he be executed?

 buzz wrote: 

Again, common sense. I would kill him without a second thought and sleep like a baby that night too.

 Beaker wrote: 
Killing someone is a reflection on you not on someone else.

 Beaker wrote: 
would that be a straight line or do you have some ziggin and zaggin going on?

 Beaker wrote: 
would that be a straight line or do you have some ziggin and zaggin going on?

 MusicIsMotion wrote: 
You are free to feel the way you do.

 hippiechick wrote: 
HC, I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat.  But I resent your "fairy tale" remarks as well as your lack of remorse for anyone's feelings that you disagree with.  You are officially my most un-favorite personality on this forum and I think I'll refrain from ever talking to you again.  You bring me down with most of what I read from you and I view you as a damaged soul.  So from my heart, God bless YOU.

./thatisall

 MusicIsMotion wrote: 
Don't read this thread then.

No one can stop you from believing what you believe. Believe away. It is hard for me, as an atheist, to understand what you believe in, but I would not stop you from believing it. Just don't make me believe.

I have a question.  Was this thread meant to be comedic, legitimate or was it generally just meant to turn into a God-bashing party?  I'm really trying to respect the atheist mentality and judge-not but wow.  It's sometimes painful to read the hateful words of a bunch of self-proclaimed moralists and pacifists who slam the One that's lead me through so much pain and suffering in my life.  And yeah, I know... if I didn't want to read it, I shouldn't have clicked the link.  But in my effort to maintain respect and appreciation (certainly also to understand more) for certain personalities' beliefs that I've come to enjoy reading from here, I did.  I guess I'm just going to have to delete this bookmark, leave and simply enjoy the music from a stand-alone player. 

Bash away, atheists.  A certain Christian here is certainly trying not to disrespect your beliefs but you should know that some of your words hurt and I, for one, am offended.  Thanks, "intellects".

 cc_rider wrote: 

word.

 cc_rider wrote: 
I don't really care what people believe in, sometimes I wish I believed in anything! If people want to believe in fairy tales, and it isn't hurt me, what do I care.

 hippiechick wrote: 



I would hope your maternal instincts wouLd kick in and you wouldn't waste precious time figuring out a "humane" way to stop your daughters murder.