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Posted: Oct 18, 2013 - 11:48am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Proclivities wrote:
That article has essentially nothing to do with TED Talks other than two nominal references to it, and those references seem to have nothing to do with them "lying" or even being remotely deceptive.  Interesting piece, but I figure that what is now called the "creative class" has been screwed at least since the early 1980s.

I'd go a step further and condemn the idea of a "creative class."

Creativity exists everywhere, in every profession, in every discipline. Sometimes it doesn't get allowed to express itself but it's always there.

Further yet: what we think of as creativity is really a combination of creation and execution. A brilliant idea goes nowhere unless it is expressed and reduced to practice. The world's bus seats and street corners are full of creative geniuses who never got past muttering about how their brilliant ideas aren't appreciated.

I've watched enough TED talks that did nothing but congratulate their audiences for being clever enough to get the speaker's drift to share some of this cynicism, but that's the nature of ideas. You have to sift thru mountains of impractical or silly or pointless concepts to get to the stuff that will really improve our lives. I'll make that effort.

I just wish the TED stage was equipped with a gong to dismiss the hucksters and intellectual con men who use it so often.

 
Yes; it comes across as a vague, patronizing term, aside from that, people who work in "creative" fields (whom I was referring to) do not really constitute a "class".  A gong would be an excellent idea for the TED Show.


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Posted: Oct 18, 2013 - 11:10am

Proclivities wrote:
That article has essentially nothing to do with TED Talks other than two nominal references to it, and those references seem to have nothing to do with them "lying" or even being remotely deceptive.  Interesting piece, but I figure that what is now called the "creative class" has been screwed at least since the early 1980s.

I'd go a step further and condemn the idea of a "creative class."

Creativity exists everywhere, in every profession, in every discipline. Sometimes it doesn't get allowed to express itself but it's always there.

Further yet: what we think of as creativity is really a combination of creation and execution. A brilliant idea goes nowhere unless it is expressed and reduced to practice. The world's bus seats and street corners are full of creative geniuses who never got past muttering about how their brilliant ideas aren't appreciated.

I've watched enough TED talks that did nothing but congratulate their audiences for being clever enough to get the speaker's drift to share some of this cynicism, but that's the nature of ideas. You have to sift thru mountains of impractical or silly or pointless concepts to get to the stuff that will really improve our lives. I'll make that effort.

I just wish the TED stage was equipped with a gong to dismiss the hucksters and intellectual con men who use it so often.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2013 - 9:44am

 aflanigan wrote: 
That article has essentially nothing to do with TED Talks other than two nominal references to it, and those references seem to have nothing to do with them "lying" or even being remotely deceptive.  Interesting piece, but I figure that what is now called the "creative class" has been screwed at least since the early 1980s.


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Posted: Oct 18, 2013 - 9:06am

TED talks are lying to you
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Posted: May 30, 2012 - 4:45am

10 minutes well spent...



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Posted: May 29, 2012 - 5:02pm

 islander wrote:

Okay, maybe it was for the same reasons.  I don't think it was a very well fleshed out speech, and it was short by TED standards. But I don't buy TEDs reasons for not publishing it, and I'm pretty over TED at this point anyway based on the behaviors of several of their attendees (Nick displaying some of this as well).

Nick is an interesting guy. He's local here and I've had the chance to here him and some of the 2nd Avenue partners at a couple of local events. He has some really good views on education and good perspectives on creativity and how to let innovators run free and innovate. He does suffer some lack of perspective on the typical day to day stuff, but I think that comes from having a billion dollars on hand. He does seem to live his values though, and I do agree with most of his base premises. 

 
i don't think his presentation should have been pulled from TED either (i'd like to see the entire TED catalog, unedited, and decide for myself if the talks are worth recommending to friends, or not {#Wink} )

his field of study was philosophy and i'd be interested to see or hear some of his stuff (expanded version)

i may even buy his book

peace

p.s. (he has done well by any standard) just a wild guess from what little i've read on him is that he has made most of his wealth by (angel) investing and letting someone else like bezos and/or byrne do most the heavy lifting of course i could be wrong
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Posted: May 29, 2012 - 4:42pm

 miamizsun wrote:

to be fair to hanauer, i haven't read his latest book

all i have to go on is this short speech, which i find very insufficient and failing to support some of the "contradictive" claims he makes

i wonder why he didn't take the usual 15-20 minutes like most

regarding his book, i did find this on amazon:

"If you can hold these paired thoughts in your head, we wrote this book for you:

- The federal government spends too much money. The wealthy should pay more taxes.

- Every American should have access to high-quality health care. We spend far too much on health care.

- We need to eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels. We need to ensure that our economy continues to grow.

- Unions are a crucially important part of our economy and society. Unions have become overly protectionist and are in need of enormous amounts of reform.

- We need strong government. We need strong citizens."

Liu and Hanauer advocate "Big What, Small How" government, in contrast to the "small/small" of the right and the "big/big" of the left.
i'm interested to see how he and liu suggest we do this

also the supporting philosophy and data behind it

regards

 
Okay, maybe it was for the same reasons.  I don't think it was a very well fleshed out speech, and it was short by TED standards. But I don't buy TEDs reasons for not publishing it, and I'm pretty over TED at this point anyway based on the behaviors of several of their attendees (Nick displaying some of this as well).

Nick is an interesting guy. He's local here and I've had the chance to here him and some of the 2nd Avenue partners at a couple of local events. He has some really good views on education and good perspectives on creativity and how to let innovators run free and innovate. He does suffer some lack of perspective on the typical day to day stuff, but I think that comes from having a billion dollars on hand. He does seem to live his values though, and I do agree with most of his base premises. 
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Posted: May 29, 2012 - 4:24pm

 islander wrote:
I do too, but probably for different reasons. I do think it's valuable to have the discussion though, because I think we're due for some challenges to the same old, same old process that continues to show only mediocre performance for truly creating jobs and expanding productivity and wealth.

Fortunately Nick is in a position to put his money where his mouth is, and he has a reasonably good track record of doing so.
 
to be fair to hanauer, i haven't read his latest book

all i have to go on is this short speech, which i find very insufficient and failing to support some of the "contradictive" claims he makes

i wonder why he didn't take the usual 15-20 minutes like most

regarding his book, i did find this on amazon:

"If you can hold these paired thoughts in your head, we wrote this book for you:

- The federal government spends too much money. The wealthy should pay more taxes.

- Every American should have access to high-quality health care. We spend far too much on health care.

- We need to eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels. We need to ensure that our economy continues to grow.

- Unions are a crucially important part of our economy and society. Unions have become overly protectionist and are in need of enormous amounts of reform.

- We need strong government. We need strong citizens."

Liu and Hanauer advocate "Big What, Small How" government, in contrast to the "small/small" of the right and the "big/big" of the left.

i'm interested to see how he and liu suggest we do this

also the supporting philosophy and data behind it

regards


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Posted: May 29, 2012 - 11:55am

 miamizsun wrote:

i respectfully disagree with nick

 
I do too, but probably for different reasons. I do think it's valuable to have the discussion though, because I think we're due for some challenges to the same old, same old process that continues to show only mediocre performance for truly creating jobs and expanding productivity and wealth.

Fortunately Nick is in a position to put his money where his mouth is, and he has a reasonably good track record of doing so.
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Posted: May 29, 2012 - 10:01am

 oldslabsides wrote:


 
i respectfully disagree with nick
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Posted: Mar 8, 2012 - 10:34am

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Will she have to fight Neko Case for that privilege?? Laughing

 

There's room in my heart for both of them...


I love Neko Case soooo much...  if only she would press her feet against my heart, nothing would matter to me in this mad mad mad world...
 


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Posted: Mar 8, 2012 - 10:31am

 romeotuma wrote:

This is cool...  interesting...  and I want Jennifer Pahlka to have my baby...
 

 
Will she have to fight Neko Case for that privilege?? Laughing
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Posted: Mar 8, 2012 - 10:29am

 RichardPrins wrote:

Can government be run like the Internet, permissionless and open? Coder and activist Jennifer Pahlka believes it can — and that apps, built quickly and cheaply, are a powerful new way to connect citizens to their governments — and their neighbors.

Jennifer Pahlka is the founder of Code for America, which matches software geniuses with US cities to reboot local services.

 
This is cool...  interesting...  and I want Jennifer Pahlka to have my baby...
 
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Posted: Mar 8, 2012 - 9:57am


Can government be run like the Internet, permissionless and open? Coder and activist Jennifer Pahlka believes it can — and that apps, built quickly and cheaply, are a powerful new way to connect citizens to their governments — and their neighbors.

Jennifer Pahlka is the founder of Code for America, which matches software geniuses with US cities to reboot local services.
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