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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:30pm

 samiyam wrote:

Isn't that what I wrote? 
 

I plea the four fifths...
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:29pm

 oldviolin wrote:


fixed

 
Isn't that what I wrote? 

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:27pm

Sorry...  Anarchy is only fun for a few.  I'll withdraw.  I'll be in the bar. 
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:27pm

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I believe that opinions should vary and decorum prevail as much as possible in order to form a more perfect union...short of that, arguments should at least be funny and contain as little facts and figures as possible...

 

agreed. 
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:26pm

I believe that opinions should vary and decorum prevail as much as possible in order to form a more perfect union...short of that, arguments should at least be funny and contain as little facts and figures as possible...
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:19pm

 samiyam wrote:

Stand up and declare you right to voice conservative arguments without being told! 
 

fixed


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:18pm

 Beaker wrote:

Your intent is clear.  Quite.  That doesn't mean I happen to agree with your characterization ( "attacked for being a voice of conservatives here") of her words.  I've been on the receiving end of many barbs or attacks — and plenty of them having nothing at all to do with my politics, whatever they are. 

I submit that some persons here attack others, and often, because there are no appreciable consequences for their behaviour.   Until that is resolved, the "negatives imposed by a few" will reappear with regularity to ensure that disharmony takes place, if not the outright anarchy desired by some.
 
Stand up and declare you right to voice conservative arguments without being forced to feed the trolls! 

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:14pm

 Beaker wrote:

Your intent is clear.  Quite.  That doesn't mean I happen to agree with your characterization ( "attacked for being a voice of conservatives here") of her words.  I've been on the receiving end of many barbs or attacks — and plenty of them having nothing at all to do with my politics, whatever they are. 

I submit that some persons here attack others, and often, because there are no appreciable consequences for their behaviour.   Until that is resolved, the "negatives imposed by a few" will reappear with regularity to ensure that disharmony takes place, if not the outright anarchy desired by some.
 
oh, look. The Beak and I disagree. {#Lol}
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:13pm

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We would give up all the gains from the diversity of views here because of the negatives imposed by a few.  That would be the gist of it. There are those who have long argued/proclaimed/indicated that political subjects should not be discussed here because the negative aspects of it overhwhelm any positives. Perhaps they are right.  My view has differed, but I am losing ground and reconsidering .  

Edit: As for the part of your post about extrapolation, I would say I summarized, based on memory. What she said, to which I had responded, was: "Thankfully, the Beak is resilient enough to withstand the barbs cast his way. He is one of the few vocal conservatives at RP."  I used the word "attacks."  One of the definitions of "barb" is "a biting or pointedly critical remark or comment."  Anyway, semantics aside, I think my intent was/is clear.   

 

Your words included one double negative and and a few unclear pronoun references, but I waded through it.

What I attempted to convey within the gist of my original post was the fact that the prevalence of stridently liberal voices that drown out the conservative viewpoint represents the RP community (and ownership) as intolerantly liberal. Reasonable political discourse suffers because both current and potential right-leaning (never mind ultra-conservative) members don't consider joining the conversation to be worth the effort. The community shrinks, as do monetary contributions, conceivably.



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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:48pm

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I happen to agree with your commentary above.  Though, could you clarify the baby and bath water statement?  It leaves much to interpretation.
 

We would give up all the gains from the diversity of views here because of the negatives imposed by a few.  That would be the gist of it. There are those who have long argued/proclaimed/indicated that political subjects should not be discussed here because the negative aspects of it overhwhelm any positives. Perhaps they are right.  My view has differed, but I am losing ground and reconsidering .  

Edit: As for the part of your post about extrapolation, I would say I summarized, based on memory. What she said, to which I had responded, was: "Thankfully, the Beak is resilient enough to withstand the barbs cast his way. He is one of the few vocal conservatives at RP."  I used the word "attacks."  One of the definitions of "barb" is "a biting or pointedly critical remark or comment."  Anyway, semantics aside, I think my intent was/is clear.   


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:23pm

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Ummm.  Why are you seeking to reconcile my words with the impressions of Zip?  Are we not two separate individuals with our own ideas and thoughts? And why does this innate minutia matter to you?  Surely there's something a little more meaningful you might wish to offer an opinion or commentary on...
 

People's perceptions can differ, as do yours and zipper's on this point.  The genesis of this, for me, was Zipper's statement a day or so ago that she believed you often were unfairly attacked for being a voice of conservatives here. I disagreed with that notion (see my post on that; portion reproduced below in italics).  I then pointed out to Zipper that you do not see yourself as being conservative even though she did.    

My point, then and now, is this:

I raise this only to debunk the notion that objections to posts made by he or anyone else are motivated solely by partisan bias. I have never found that to be pervasively true here, on either side of the proverbial party aisle.  That does not mean, however, that there are not those who consistently toe the party line and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge a countering viewpoint  Thankfully, they are in the minority, albeit sometimes quite vocal- and strident.  At times, I agree, they threaten to drown out those who consistently offer reasoned viewpoints and engage in reasonable discussions.  Those folk are in the majority here, and, as I have often stated in my time here, I have learned a great deal from those discussions.

The truth is, the diversity of viewpoints here on any topic is pretty remarkable, and the comments very insightful.   

Perhaps, though, we do have to throw the baby out with the bath water.  That would be unfortunate, but, as you have pointed out, it may be unavoidable at this point. 



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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:10pm

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 steeler wrote:

No one that I know of is 100 percent conservative, liberal, or anything else.  If the point he was making is that people wrongly assume he is 100 percent conservative, well, I would agree with him that they would be mistaken.   

I took his last post, and one sometime before that, as meaning that he sees himself to be neither conservative nor liberal. That self-assessment would seem to be at odds with your prior statement that he is one of the few voices of the conservative viewpoint here.       


Your interpretation of what I meant is incorrect.  This has already been explained to you before in a post meant to specifically clarify your understanding and that of anyone else. 

My clarification, which you quoted, specifically states "On the whole, my weighting probably leans somewhat conservative. "  Why are you now choosing to ignore my offered clarification?



 

Being "somewhat conservative" does not equate, at least in my mind, with being a vocal voice of the conservative viewpoint. Your full statement indicated that you believed you would be considered an "independent" if you were an American voter.   


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 1:55pm

 steeler wrote:


No one that I know of is 100 percent conservative, liberal, or anything else.  If the point he was making is that people wrongly assume he is 100 percent conservative, well, I would agree with him that they would be mistaken.   

I took his last post, and one sometime before that, as meaning that he sees himself as being neither conservative nor liberal. That self-assessment would seem to be at odds with your prior statement that he is one of the few voices of the conservative viewpoint here.       

 
This is my perception: His is indeed one of the few politically conservative voices here. I stand by my perception, which is not the same thing as his self-assessment. I can't tell him what to think or say on any given subject.
 
 
 
{#Yell} Beaker, git yo' ass over there to the right of the line!

{#Roflol}
 
 
edit: Let me rephrase that. I cannot control what he thinks or says regarding any given subject.

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 1:36pm

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"A voice of" doesn't translate to 100% pure. Are you 100% liberal?
 

No one that I know of is 100 percent conservative, liberal, or anything else.  If the only point he was making is that people wrongly assume he is 100 percent conservative, well, I would agree with him that they would be mistaken.   

I took his last post, and one sometime before that, as meaning that he sees himself as being neither conservative nor liberal. That self-assessment would seem to be at odds with your prior statement that he is one of the few voices of the conservative viewpoint here.       


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 1:29pm

 steeler wrote:


Zipper sees you as a voice of conservatives here on this forum. She would not appear to be your opponent nor your enemy.

 
"A voice of" doesn't translate to 100% pure. Are you 100% liberal?

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 12:14pm

 Beaker wrote:
 To clarify, I hold viewpoints that would be described as liberal on some topics.  Quite liberal.  On other topics, my views would be seen as conservative.  Can't say that I have any views that any would consider far-right, or far-left, though not everyone operates their political compass from the same centre.  On the whole, my weighting probably leans somewhat conservative.  In America, I'd most likely be identified as an Independent voter. 

In Canada, I've voted repeatedly for both Liberal and Conservative candidates.  Issues matter - I am anything but a party-line voter.  Certainly no one here knows the full range of my beliefs, as the list of serious topics discussed here that I have participated in on the forum are very few.  Many people here have made the error of believing I am 100% conservative or even far right, while failing to grasp the range of topics that never or rarely appear on the forum, where my participation therein would indicate leanings in the opposite direction.  People see what they wish to see in their opponents/enemies.  It's easier than facing the truth, I suppose.
 

Zipper sees you as a voice of conservatives here on this forum. She would not appear to be your opponent nor your enemy.


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 5:27am

 Beaker wrote:
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And anarchy?  Perhaps you missed the posting guidelines on  the front page of the forum.  Doesn't look like the stated intention is anarchy to me. 

Anarchy has guidelines but anarchism also acknowledges that those guidelines are only "enforceable" to a point and are not really there to be enforced but to guide.

"What is not forbidden is mandatory" does not fly here -  it's fascist, irrational, really, and  that sort of attitude is precisely why this thread exists; to ridicule it.

Just like a tree down by the water baby I shall not move
Even after all the silly things you do
Please please please don't drag me
Please please please don't drag me
Please please please don't drag me down







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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 2:02pm

 brandog wrote:

Sweet!  Beak started that LeftWingNutz thread - post stuff - I'll read it!
 
{#Lol} I prefer my O threads. It's more fun to point out his failings.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 1:55pm

 zipper wrote:

I read a coupla' fistfuls of nutroots nooz every day that I could cheerfully share here.
 
Sweet!  Beak started that LeftWingNutz thread - post stuff - I'll read it!  I don't even mind disagreeing with it - it's the idea of intellectual stimulation outside my pervue that I'm interested in - oh, well, I'm offering beer to the Hell's Angels here...

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 1:20pm

 brandog wrote:

Well, just kicking a little dirt, really - I am serious about the idea of necessity and the RP threads being pure anarchy - it's what I love best about RP - well, almost as much as you.
 
I read a coupla' fistfuls of nutroots nooz every day that I could cheerfully share here.

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