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jadewahoo

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:31pm
katzendogs wrote: what part? Erie. Cuyahoga! Norwalk! I'm fixing to meetup with Kurtster and Beanie. Wanna join us?

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:30pm
katzendogs wrote: what part? Erie. Cuyahoga! I honeymooned in Cuyhoga Falls. So I'm told.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:26pm
jadewahoo wrote: I'm in Ohio for a family reunion, so yeah, a good weekend planned. what part? Erie. Cuyahoga!

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:24pm
Kite_Flyer wrote: Actually from a U2 song called "Kite" that I love. Not sure I've ever been told to Go Fly a Kite. Well maybe I've heard the same sentiment but in more of a street venacular type of way. Hope you have a good long weekend. Any fun plans? I'm in Ohio for a family reunion, so yeah, a good weekend planned.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:10pm

jadewahoo wrote:

Kite_Flyer wrote:

Jade? A pacifist?

Hi Buddy!

Hey there! Howzit?

So, I was a' wondering about your handle... Kite_Flyer, becase you enjoy flying kites? Or because it is the fulfillment of what someone once told you to do, so now you can fling it back at 'em, or...?

Actually from a U2 song called "Kite" that I love.

Not sure I've ever been told to Go Fly a Kite. Well maybe I've heard the same sentiment but in more of a street venacular type of way.

Hope you have a good long weekend. Any fun plans?

BasmntMadman

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:06pm

Proclivities wrote:

What exactly is this"text" that you are writing about? Is there a title to this book? What is your source for this information? Did you read this "US history text" that mentions the gay rights movement ten times more than it does Abraham Lincoln, or is it just something you heard Rush Limbaugh or Neal Boortz railing about? I don't doubt or deny that there has been a shift in what "history" has been taught or not taught, and much of that is troubling to me too, but your statement seems like somewhat of an exaggeration. Anyhow, happy Labor Day to you as well.

I'd be interested in taking a look at this text myself - and knowing how widespread its use is, and the titles and content of other texts in widespread use. The real knock on grade school textbooks I've heard about is that they have to try and please school districts in every part of the country, resulting in bland wishy-washyness.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:04pm
Kite_Flyer wrote: Jade? A pacifist? Hi Buddy! Hey there! Howzit? So, I was a' wondering about your handle... Kite_Flyer, becase you enjoy flying kites? Or because it is the fulfillment of what someone once told you to do, so now you can fling it back at 'em, or...?

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:58pm

jadewahoo wrote:

helenofjoy wrote:

I couldn't imagine you saying this! I thought you were a pacifist? I mean, I agree that the our right wing fundamentalist idiots can be compared with islamic fundamentalist idiots - I've even seen evidence of their preparation for Armageddon as soldiers of God.

A pacifist? Me? No. I am a man of peace, but I am most assuredly not a pacifist. Who said anything about 'right wing' fundamentalist idiots?

Jade? A pacifist?

Hi Buddy!

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:56pm

helenofjoy wrote:

A pacifist? Me? No. I am a man of peace, but I am most assuredly not a pacifist. Who said anything about 'right wing' fundamentalist idiots?

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:55pm
jadewahoo wrote: And above all... no more emoticonless sarcasm! Right.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:54pm
musik_knut wrote: jade, 'Open revolt'? And that would entail? mk As opposed to 'closed revolt'. No longer keeping one's piece under wraps. Alliances formed. Stances taken. And above all... no more emoticonless sarcasm!

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:53pm
zipper wrote: yeah, well, it ain't about me. ;) But, as for me, the louder the left yells and the harder they push, the further right I position myself. Ah, so you DO know how it works.

jadewahoo

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:48pm
Beaker wrote: Which ones? Where? Them. Over there.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:15pm

musik_knut wrote:

romeo,
No. US History books of the past two decades or so...slowly but surely moving to a liberal beat. In the US History text most commonly used through much of The US, there is one mention of US Grant, one of Robert E. Lee, two of President Lincoln...and 20+ of the gay right's movement...that my friend, is an agenda on display. That is not teaching students how this country came to be. That is the dismissal by omission, as some black educators interested only in Afro-centric studies once called them, of 'old, dead, white European males'.
mk

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 5:55pm
jadewahoo wrote: Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots. I couldn't imagine you saying this! I thought you were a pacifist? I mean, I agree that the our right wing fundamentalist idiots can be compared with islamic fundamentalist idiots - I've even seen evidence of their preparation for Armageddon as soldiers of God.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 5:06pm

bokey wrote:

WTF? Who is this "they"?

"They" is not us.

"THEY"
Throughout US History

Dates	War in Which American Colonists or United States Citizens Officially Participated	Major Combatants
July 4, 1675 - August 12, 1676	King Philip's War	New England Colonies vs. Wampanoag, Narragansett, and Nipmuck Indians
1689-1697	King William's War	The English Colonies vs. France
1702-1713	Queen Anne's War	The English Colonies vs. France
1744-1748	King George's War	The French Colonies vs. Great Britain
1756-1763	French and Indian War (Seven Years War)	The French Colonies vs. Great Britain
1759-1761	Cherokee War	English Colonists vs. Cherokee Indians
1775-1783	American Revolution	English Colonists vs. Great Britain
1798-1800	Franco-American Naval War	United States vs. France
1801-1805; 1815	Barbary Wars	United States vs. Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli
1812-1815	War of 1812	United States vs. Great Britain
1813-1814	Creek War	United States vs. Creek Indians
1836	War of Texas Independence	Texas vs. Mexico
1846-1848	Mexican War	United States vs. Mexico
1861-1865	Civil War	Union vs. Confederacy
1898	Spanish-American War	United States vs. Spain

1914-1918	World War I	Triple Alliance: Germany, Italy, and Austria-Hungary vs. Triple Entente: Britain, France, and Russia. The United States joined on the side of the Triple Entente in 1917.
1939-1945	World War II	Axis Powers: Germany, Italy, Japan vs. Major Allied Powers: United States, Great Britain, France, and Russia
1950-1953	Korean War	United States (as part of the United Nations) and South Korea vs. North Korea and Communist China
1960-1975	Vietnam War	United States and South Vietnam vs. North Vietnam
1961	Bay of Pigs Invasion	United States vs. Cuba
1983	Grenada	United States Intervention
1989	US Invasion of Panama	United States vs. Panama
1990-1991	Persian Gulf War	United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
1995-1996	Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina	United States as part of NATO acted peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia
2001	Invasion of Afghanistan	United States and Coalition Forces vs. the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to fight terrorism.
2003	Invasion of Iraq	United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq

Source: The New York Public Library Desk Reference, 3rd Edition.

Looks like we, in the US, have managed to make "They" out of the rest of the planet...

But, wait, there's more!

Now, since we've got several hundred TV channels, THEY have to be expanded internally to fill up the empty spaces in the programming boards - righties, lefties, homos, heteros, fundies, lactose intolerants, boob jobs, non-boob jobs - there's no end to who we can hate, and if we get bored, all we have to do is change the channel and - whoa, there's Glenn Beck, and Ooo, now there's Lou Dobbs, Anne Coulter, and Nancy Grace - it's a festival of hate, just pay your cable or DishNet bill every month and you get the total package!

musik_knut

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 4:05pm
ok...off to enjoy a 4 day departure from the mad world of science...y'all have a great Labor Day er, my fellow Yanks, that is...enjoy...

musik_knut

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 4:01pm

sirdroseph wrote:

How bout the years from the early 1600s to the 1970s. Is that enough time exposed to the homogenous white POV??

Certainly US History was often 'white'. That was wrong. But to now swing fully in the other direction is also wrong. To continue pounding into the formative craniums of young kids that their country is bad, real bad, often deplorably bad, eventually takes root. It's no different than madrassas schools which have turned out human monsters disguised as terrorists: you drumbeat a view point long enough, you get what you seek: automatons ready to do the bidding they have been indoctrinated to do. IF future adults, now kids in school, feel hatred for this country, what then? How will they conduct themselves? We've seen kids moved by movies and screen games. that some will act out the violence or message contained within. Now add 'USA bad' to their thoughts...just gloss over or completely skip how we came to be, how we have grown, what the growing pains were. Some are now suggesting US History books start with the years just prior to The US Civil War. *again, I don't make this stuff up* That would preclude learning about US, about who came before us, what they did for us, left to us. What Our Republic means, how it was established, what it is composed of...

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 3:53pm

romeotuma wrote:

I think you are mistaken, Doc... I think most of what is taught is readin' and writin' and mathematics... society changes, and it is not liberal or conservative... a while back, women could not vote— do you think that was a liberal shift?

When I was in high school, we had smoking sections outside the hall doors... any students over 16 could smoke, and they never enforced it, so anybody could smoke... I used to go outside when I was 15 and smoke cigarettes all the time... now, if they catch a kid smoking under the age of 18, they take away the driver's license until the student reaches 18... this is certainly an infringement on student rights, don't you think? Is it good or bad? Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda...

you folks are getting too hyperbolic with the Big Changes, and it just sounds like the sky is falling chicken little paranoia...

romeo,
Just telling you what can be found in many US History text books. I don't make this stuff up for grins {#Lol}

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 3:34pm

romeotuma wrote:

I think you are mistaken, Doc. . . I think most of what is taught is readin' and writin' and mathematics. . . society changes, and it is not liberal or conservative. . . a while back, women could not vote— do you think that was a liberal shift?

When I was in high school, we had smoking sections outside the hall doors. . . any students over 16 could smoke, and they never enforced it, so anybody could smoke. . . I used to go outside when I was 15 and smoke cigarettes all the time. . . now, if they catch a kid smoking under the age of 18, they take away the driver's license until the student reaches 18. . . this is certainly an infringement on student rights, don't you think? Is it good or bad? Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda. . .

you folks are getting too hyperbolic with the Big Changes, and it just sounds like the sky is falling chicken little paranoia. . .

WTF? Who is this "they"?

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