ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
I could go deeper and explain the concept as I understand it, but it is S_D who brought up the term so maybe he should define it first.

I can explain it on the basis of being one of the few here who have recently actually lived in an impoverished big old rust belt big city.  Cleveland is always in the top two as the poorest big cities in the US.

 kurtster wrote:

Mostly I squinted when you said we recently recovered from a food desert. I sort of lost the thread after that.

Here's a Reddit discussion that hits a lot of the points of what a food desert is, whether they exist, and whether it's a demand issue or a supply issue. The "demand" side has a lot of supporters there but anyway it's a good read even if a lot of the points made tend to sound pretty Trumpian to me.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
This goes back to the late 80's early 90's.  Think Rudy Giuliani.

I guess that you're too young to  remember.

 kurtster wrote:
OK, class. Today we’re going to talk about skew lines, and how they don’t intersect. Can anyone think of two things that have nothing to do with each other?

 Red_Dragon wrote:


  :thumbsup:

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

There's a whole meme about it.

 kurtster wrote:

*squint* ?

 Lazy8 wrote:

I agree, they serve a niche,
but they do have a reputation for poor and unsafe work environments,
as for their profits, margins are a bit higher than you might expect...a few percent higher than a typical grocer,
so I would argue they improve working conditions, rather than lower prices
*boy, this has turned into an unnecessary thread jack 

 Steely_D wrote: 

Food deserts ?  You mean like we just recently recovered from ? 

They are coming back for the same reason they happened before.  Crime.

Rampant crime brought to you by the same people who enabled it the last time around, using the same soft on crime policies they are encouraging today.

So yeah, thanks, Joe and all your progressive buddies in your party. 

It is always someone else's fault.  Defund the police and no cash bail are a republican thing, right ?

 Lazy8 wrote:
We'll chalk that up to just not knowing any better...

 Lazy8 wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19...

 Steely_D wrote:
Yeah, shame on them for selling things poor people can afford! Shame on them for employing people selling those goods! If they had fewer choices of what to buy they'd be infinitely better off. It's not like they know what's in their own best interest.

Let them eat Target.

 Steely_D wrote:

It was a tongue in cheek post, but perhaps the tongue slipped out and started making flippy floppy noises...

 black321 wrote:

Those blights on our nation need to be closed, period. They’re leeches, further ruining the lives of those struggling with food deserts (big corporations abandon the poor) and low employment (big corporations abandon the poor). None of this is news, nor is it new. 

Blame Joe? Instead you should be blaming a philosophy that prevents young pregnant women from having an abortion,
that refuses to properly fund public schools and sucks the money to “Christian” (code for white) schools,
refuses to give poor people a tax break while providing them to those same big corporations or millionaires who have forgotten what philanthropy looks like,
that runs in cahoots with petroleum peddlers while the environment suffers,
and that does everything it can to prevent the education of its populace and shout down the experts that get in their way.

Is that Joe? That would be a very very naive take on the matter.

 black321 wrote:

A friend of mine took this in Taipei several years ago: 

He noted that the exchange rate was about 35:1 at the time which would be about $8.50

In a significant departure from its traditional pricing model, Dollar Tree has announced plans to raise prices on select products from $1.25 up to $7. This decision reflects the retailer's response to mounting cost pressures and supply chain disruptions. - thanks Joe 

 miamizsun wrote:
To your point...

How Fenders might have protected against bridge collapse

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Possibly the backup generator being overtaxed/insufficient. Appears the pilot did everything by the book, if there's a book for this. Dropped anchor, rudder hard left, send mayday. Bought some time and saved some lives. 

Comments on that WaPo article indicate there was a cop who barricaded one approach until traffic was stopped, then started to drive out to pick up the workers, but the bridge collapsed before he could do that. I haven't found that article though.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
No worries, we're good.  Beside conversations here lately, it pales to some of the stuff I've had to deal with over at discogs the past few weeks.  Technical arguments where the nuance and the attitudes here are like playground stuff.  I'm beat up, is all.

But the event triggered a whole boat load of memories. ;)  I sometimes watch a show called Mighty Ships that you may not get over there, but anyway a few months ago they had a show about either the largest or the second largest container ship in the world that made the trip between China through the Suez to Amsterdam and Hamburg IIRC, back and forth.  The crew does not rest for a minute, sheesh.  I think that they dealt with events by the Suez and what would happen if they had to start going around the Cape Of Good Hope if all hell breaks lose.  That was this morning and a couple of hours ago I remembered that I used to have a Merchant Marine card when I turned 21 and was dealing with ore boats on the Great Lakes.  I've been through every inch of one of these.  Then I remembered that a hs classmate from California was on the same boat as my current best friend at the time from here.  This was the early mid 70's about a couple of years before the Edmund Fitzgerald went down.  I might tell more of the story over in the surfing thread so as not to jack this one anymore.

My armchair conclusion is due to some kind of mechanical failure, the rudder got stuck in right turn Clyde mode and if the bridge didn't get in the way it would have sailed in a circle until they regained control.  In open sea, no one would ever hear about it.  You'd have to read the log to find out.

It's been kind of like a youtube day, where one video leads to another and then another.  Amazing the things you forget.  But with this event for a trigger, 50 years later they all came back clear as a bell.

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