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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:28pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:

Cool, now I will ridicule him for his scar and his hair.

 
I resemble that remark...

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:27pm

Reporter:  "Did you ever consider resigning?"

Blagojevich:  "No, I did not."

Sadly he probably was forced to be "fired" so that he can collect unemployment insurance.  No matter how you feel about him, his two young daughters are innocent, and deserve at least the basics in life.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:26pm

 Servo wrote:
Rod Blagojevich is holding a news conference right now.  He seems renewed, like a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders.  He's in very good spirits, sharing his stage with local children who wanted to get on TV.  He's speaking coherently, and not over-emotionally.  Mighty gracious in defeat.

BTW, for those who have ridiculed him about his hair: he has a big scar on his forehead that extends down to the bridge of his nose, and almost to his left eye.  You can see the bottom of that scar clearly.  I imagine that if he didn't wear his hair that way, that people would look at him like he was a cyclops.

 
Frankly, he got my sympathy with that speech and I really agree with him.

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:25pm

 Servo wrote:
Rod Blagojevich is holding a news conference right now.  He seems renewed, like a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders.  He's in very good spirits, sharing his stage with local children who wanted to get on TV.  He's speaking coherently, and not over-emotionally.  Mighty gracious in defeat.

BTW, for those who have ridiculed him about his hair: he has a big scar on his forehead that extends down to the bridge of his nose, and almost to his left eye.  You can see the bottom of that scar clearly.  I imagine that if he didn't wear his hair that way, that people would look at him like he was a cyclops.

 
Cool, now I will ridicule him for his scar and his hair.
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:24pm

Rod Blagojevich is holding a news conference right now.  He seems renewed, like a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders.  He's in very good spirits, sharing his stage with local children who wanted to get on TV.  He's speaking coherently, and not over-emotionally.  Mighty gracious in defeat.

BTW, for those who have ridiculed him about his hair: he has a big scar on his forehead that extends down to the bridge of his nose, and almost to his left eye.  You can see the bottom of that scar clearly.  I imagine that if he didn't wear his hair that way, that people would look at him like he was a cyclops.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:23pm

 hippiechick wrote:
Rod is standing in front of his house and making a speech. He's taking it well, and still claiming that it was just a set up job.

 
" I did not have sex with that woman " ..{#Lol}

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:20pm

Rod is standing in front of his house and making a speech. He's taking it well, and still claiming that it was just a set up job.
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:16pm

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(Blagojevich) stands convicted by his own words, and by his own bizarre refusal afterwards to explain himself coherently or play by any known rules.
 
The same can be said for Daschle, and with a whole lot of evidence to back it up in Daschle's case.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 4:05pm

 Servo wrote:

You say that in jest (and ignorance), but as a resident of Illinois I've been infuriated by a General Assembly that has refused to do its job on a regular basis.

Right now the news is talking about "now Illinois can do something about its budget deficit", as if it was the Governor's job to submit a balance budget to the Governor.  No...that job is, and always has been that of the General Assembly!

In this game of political brinkmanship, Tom Daschle and his cronies won, and the People of Illinois lost.

 

In the scales of ethics and responsibility, let's put Daschle in one side and Blago in the other, and...let the psychostasia begin!

Blagojevich can play the populist friend of the people all he likes. The revuslion against him is practically universal. He stands convicted by his own words, and by his own bizarre refusal afterwards to explain himself coherently or play by any known rules. We're not discussing Marlon Brando, here (though we are talking similar eccenticities). There is, and should be, a severe standard applied to prominent public servants. They serve at our pleasure. When they screw up—and Blago did so, however you want to slice it—it's dulce et decorum that they go, and go swiftly.  
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:57pm

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  I think you should demand his "political inferiors" respect Blago's authoritah!
 
You say that in jest (and ignorance), but as a resident of Illinois I've been infuriated by a General Assembly that has refused to do its job on a regular basis.

Right now the news is talking about "now Illinois can do something about its budget deficit", as if it was the Governor's job to submit a balance budget to the Governor.  No...that job is, and always has been that of the General Assembly!

In this game of political brinkmanship, Tom Daschle and his cronies won, and the People of Illinois lost.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:50pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Whether or not he is or not, he deserves his day in court, and to be innocent until proven guilty.
 
He is not innocent of being far too arrogant and much too spectacularly stoopit to hold public office.  Good riddance, technically guilty or not.

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:50pm

I gotta wonder why he is just  NOW.....on the last day of the proceedings...appearing?  If he wanted the chance to call witnesses, explain himself, etc. why didn't he do so when he had the opportunity?  Instead he chose to go on any and every TV show that would have him....a very odd decision it seems to me.  And why did his defense attorney quit right before the proceedings?   Lots of unanswered REAL questions, that so far Mr. B is not answering....except with smoke and mirrors.  

/ my 2 cents
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:49pm

 Beaker wrote:

  I think you should demand his "political inferiors" respect Blago's authoritah!
 
ha! good advice, Beak. {#Lol}
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:49pm

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Just a minute, What makes you think he is not a bad apple?
 
Well, he has kept his campaign promises.  He has been a trailblazer in health care issues — Illinois was the first state to guarantee health care for children.  Etc. etc. etc.

Before Blagojevich, Illinois state income taxes were actually higher than federal income taxes.  That practice stopped under Blagojevich.

This whole affair reminds me of "The Caine Mutiny".  Certainly the testimony of Governor Blagojevich at his (mock) trial bore an uncomfortable to Captain Queeg's testimony scene.

The moral of "The Caine Mutiny" was that maybe Queeg became unbalanced, but he was pushed; he didn't jump.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:48pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Whether or not he is or not, he deserves his day in court, and to be innocent until proven guilty.
 
fair enough I'll go with that.
just don't put me on the jury cos I'm kind of 2 dimensional in these things.

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:40pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Just a minute, What makes you think he is not a bad apple?
 
Whether or not he is or not, he deserves his day in court, and to be innocent until proven guilty.

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:37pm

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No, that is not a foregone conclusion.  In fact, the underwhelming content of the tapes revealed once again that Patrick Fitzgerald lied to us.  It's looking more and more like Fitzgerald knew from the beginning that there isn't enough evidence to secure an indictment, much less a conviction.

Meanwhile, the Legislature of the State of Illinois, quite appropriately in my opinion, has exercised it's (state) constitutional right in impeaching Blagojevich. You, of course, cannot argue that the legislature did not have the right to do so.

Oh yes I can!  There is NOTHING in the Constitution of the United States of America or the Illinois constitution that says that it's an inalienable right of legislatures to do whatever they please.  If anything, it's the other way around!

It's NOT a right.  It's not even a privilege!  It is an absence of prohibition.  And in my opinion, the absence of prohibition is not a tacit power.

This is a "possibly" dishonest employee being fired.

The problem with that is that the firing was not done by his bosses, namely me and the other people of Illinois who hired him.  Being "fired" by his political inferiors has a name: mutiny.

 
Just a minute, What makes you think he is not a bad apple?

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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:32pm

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You're right, Rod Blagojevich has not yet been convicted of any of these crimes in a court of law. That is yet to come, and it will come.
 
No, that is not a foregone conclusion.  In fact, the underwhelming content of the tapes revealed once again that Patrick Fitzgerald lied to us.  It's looking more and more like Fitzgerald knew from the beginning that there isn't enough evidence to secure an indictment, much less a conviction.

Meanwhile, the Legislature of the State of Illinois, quite appropriately in my opinion, has exercised it's (state) constitutional right in impeaching Blagojevich. You, of course, cannot argue that the legislature did not have the right to do so.

Oh yes I can!  There is NOTHING in the Constitution of the United States of America or the Illinois constitution that says that it's an inalienable right of legislatures to do whatever they please.  If anything, it's the other way around!

It's NOT a right.  It's not even a privilege!  It is an absence of prohibition.  And in my opinion, the absence of prohibition is not a tacit power.

This is a "possibly" dishonest employee being fired.

The problem with that is that the firing was not done by his bosses, namely me and the other people of Illinois who hired him.  Being "fired" by his political inferiors has a name: mutiny.


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:19pm

 hippiechick wrote:
All security detail for the gov are getting in their cars and splitting. One of them took a car seat out of the back of the security van, and put it in his garage.
 
Did you see the unmarked state Crown Vic at the corner leave (without using a turn signal {#Rolleyes}), and a marked Chicago Police Crown Vic swoop in to take its place? {#Lol}


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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 3:17pm

 Servo wrote:

It's always good when we practice what the Constitution demands.  Rod Balgojevich is still innocent as far as the law is concerned.  Those who heard the tapes were not convinced that they contained indicting evidence.

Those who are so quick to call others nasty things are the first to object when the tables are turned.  And when that happens, they deserve no sympathy.
 

You're right, Rod Blagojevich has not yet been convicted of any of these crimes in a court of law. That is yet to come, and it will come. Meanwhile, the Legislature of the State of Illinois, quite appropriately in my opinion, has exercised it's (state) constitutional right in impeaching Blagojevich. You, of course, cannot argue that the legislature did not have the right to do so. It can do so for any reason it pleases, at any time. This is not a criminal trial. This is a "possibly" dishonest employee being fired.


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