Everything he didas an elected official contradicts what he claims to have been a change of heart much earlier in his life. He was a lying SOS. He did not change his spots.
That's some pretty selective (a.k.a. cherry-picked) copy-pasta, son.
To show who's really lying (again):
For the 2003â2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)<85>rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."<86> Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".<87>
He spent a decade, at least, in the Klan ... and had some pretty deep seated thoughts on racism ...
Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[12] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[12]
In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[12][20]
Who knows how many of his recruits and those he influenced as a leader he inspired to go on the further their racism on to successive generations, regardless of his later "repentance" ?
The man was a politician. He ran for office as a member of the Klan. Only when seeking national office did he have an awakening of some kind and decided to say that he was changing his spots.
In 2005, Byrd told The Washington Post that his membership in the Baptist church led to a change in his views. In the opinion of one reviewer, Byrd, like other Southern and border-state Democrats, came to realize that he would have to temper "his blatantly segregationist views" and move to the Democratic Party mainstream if he wanted to play a role nationally.[12]
The clocked ticked away on the cloture motion as the Senate addressed Hickenlooper’s package of amendments. With voting complete (one amendment passed, two failed), another obstacle to cloture was gone. All that remained was the filibuster. At 7:38 p.m. on June 9, Senator Robert C. Byrd took the floor. He had in his hand an 800-page speech laying out all the reasons why the Senate should not invoke cloture. For 14 hours and 13 minutes, Byrd dissected the bill, laying out his arguments against passage. Reporters called it the “last gasp” of the filibuster.
Everything he didas an elected official contradicts what he claims to have been a change of heart much earlier in his life. He was a lying SOS. He did not change his spots.
It is what he did that matters. The man deserves no statues in public places or buildings named after him, at the very least.
Obviously, I alone here (in terms of the regular posters in the poly threads) have these thoughts, except for one other ...
Every individual is responsible for his/her actions only. Robert Byrd died ten years ago this very day. His crimes died with him.
You bring him up as a distraction, a handful of dust thrown into the air, a quick whataboutist maneuver to distract from a losing argument.
Nice try. Go lose your argument.
Wrong, absolutely wrong. He was a high ranking official in the KKK. He needs to be cancelled like all the other racists are. His statues must come down and his name must come off of buildings. Why does he get a pass and others do not, especially in light of what is going on today ?
And then explain why you tried to tie him into reparations ? That has nothing to do with anything I am addressing.
Woodrow Wilson is so much dust in the past, right ? Yet he is getting his just due, finally. I don't see how you can give Byrd a pass in light of all of this.
But it is relevant, given how we are reviewing our past one more time, tearing down icons of know racists and what not. Hillary even said that he was her mentor at his funeral. So he was considered a "good democrat" by many democratic leaders. Yet he was also a leader in the KKK. How do you square that given what is going on today ?
I think it is a fair and honest question, in light of the present.
Okay, then try this - I’m not interested in having any kind of dialog with you.
Then why did you reply earlier regarding Wallace ?
No need to reply. It was rhetorical ... just a marker.
I’m not the least bit interested in wandering off into some non sequitur dialog with you.
But it is relevant, given how we are reviewing our past one more time, tearing down icons of know racists and what not. Hillary even said that he was her mentor at his funeral. So he was considered a "good democrat" by many democratic leaders. His name is plastered all over schools and other public buildings. Yet he was also a leader in the KKK. How do you square that given what is going on today ?
I think it is a fair and honest question, in light of the present. .
He obviously misspoke. Said 120 million instead of 120,000. It happens. Not a big deal unless we are to believe that he did not misspeak and actually believes 120 million have died. I do not believe that to be the case. I also did not believe that Obama thought there were 57 states in the union.
Trump keeps hitting this one on his twitter account. If thatâs all he has . . . as Adm. Stockdale would say, he might be out of ammunition. If you want to see some incoherent rambling, check out Trumpâs response to Hannity asking him what his priorities are for his second term.
Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions... Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...
Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions... Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...
Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions... Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jun 27, 2020 - 11:34am
Proclivities wrote:
kurtster wrote:
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is.
He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.
That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
Well, it's not just hate - though there is plenty of that for Trump. Most of the people who will vote against him just don't want him to be the President anymore.
The pertinent inquiry would be into the reasons for the âhate.â My guess is Kurtster and other Trump supporters prefer to see the âhateâ for Trump as irrational and inexplicable, an emotional rote response devoid of reason. As you say, there are reasons people are so stridently opposed to him, reasons people believe it critical that he not be re-elected.
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is.
He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.
That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
Well, it's not just hate - though there is plenty of that for Trump. Most of the people who will vote against him just don't want him to be the President anymore.
just looking at this from my perch he needs a solid vp candidate
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He is in the very odd position of very possibly picking President #47. He has to pick the person who he feels is best suited to run the place if he can't...regardless of sex, race, age, anything.
It's very possible that the shuttering of the US, and by default his campaign, has allowed him to relax a bit mentally. Now that he's had his foot off the gas for so long, there is a real question if someone in their late 70's can turn it back on again. If he picks a VP who people are comfortable with, he can get over the finish line. If he picks someone who raises doubts and follows that with poor showings in debates or makes some significant blunders....things could get closer.
More Americans realize every day that Trump is the worst answer possible. If he ever loses the white men 40-65 without a college degree demo...he'll have lost everyone. I would guess 60% of Americans would prefer to spin a wheel for the next President than to repeat the last 4 years.
I'm ready for 2020 to be over already. The first half has totally sucked...and now we have to deal with a Presidential election.
Interesting. I'd say the same of both candidates right now. We are very possibly voting for the person who will pick the next president. Has Trump officially selected Pence? I think he been sufficiently sycophantic (band name, also on the worst baskin robins flavors list).
