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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:49pm

 kurtster wrote:

Well if he was posting his material to bring other people's thinking into view, then y'all gave him a bum rap. 

I used to watch the 700 Club just to be aware and up to date on what those people were thinking.  Not because I agree with them, and I basically did not, but because I wanted to hear them first hand and figure out for myself what they were about and not have some pundit tell me what to think about their POV.  I try to do that with other groups, too.  You / we need to know what other's are thinking even if we disagree just to step away from our own little echo chambers and news feeds for a different reference point that does have an impact on events regardless of how we feel about the subject matter.  Intellectual isolation is never a good thing.

Y'all shot the messenger and missed the message, as usually happens around here.

Yep, you saw a sheep. I saw a wolf.

and btw. I didn't ask him to shut up or leave. I just called him as I saw him. 
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:37pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Yep, if anyone said anything that got up his nose, it was me and I stand by my comments too. When someone keeps pushing material sourced from Russian troll factories I am forced to draw the conclusion that they are active instruments of that very same disinformation campaign, no matter how much they try to dress themselves up as free and independent thinkers with a liberal perspective. They're not.

Wolves in sheep's clothing I think is the phrase that fits.
 
Well if he was posting his material to bring other people's thinking into view, then y'all gave him a bum rap. 

I used to watch the 700 Club just to be aware and up to date on what those people were thinking.  Not because I agree with them, and I basically did not, but because I wanted to hear them first hand and figure out for myself what they were about and not have some pundit tell me what to think about their POV.  I try to do that with other groups, too.  You / we need to know what other's are thinking even if we disagree just to step away from our own little echo chambers and news feeds for a different reference point that does have an impact on events regardless of how we feel about the subject matter.  Intellectual isolation is never a good thing.

Y'all shot the messenger and missed the message, as usually happens around here.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:24pm

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Yeah ?  I guess it depends on where you sit.  The echo in here gets overwhelming at times. But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things. .
{#Arrowd}

I stand by my comments to Ivanhoe today and reject your charge that my intent was to drive him off.
 
Yep, if anyone said anything that got up his nose, it was me and I stand by my comments too. When someone keeps pushing material sourced from Russian troll factories I am forced to draw the conclusion that they are active instruments of that very same disinformation campaign, no matter how much they try to dress themselves up as free and independent thinkers with a liberal perspective. They're not.

Wolves in sheep's clothing I think is the phrase that fits.
steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:10pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah ?  I guess it depends on where you sit.  The echo in here gets overwhelming at times.

But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things.

.
{#Arrowd}

I stand by my comments to Ivanhoe today and reject your charge that my intent was to drive him off.

NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 8:24pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah ?  I guess it depends on where you sit.  The echo in here gets overwhelming at times.

But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things.

 
Oh I wouldn't worry about him. No doubt he'll be back under yet another name soon enough. 

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 7:22pm

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah ?  I guess it depends on where you sit.  The echo in here gets overwhelming at times.

But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things.

You're still around. Diversity rules require at least one token contrarian. There are buttons to be pushed!
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 7:19pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. 

That's it for me. Hey guys...



You can't go, all the plants are gonna die.
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 7:06pm

 steeler wrote:
 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here.  That's it for me. Hey guys...


Here again you have dismissed contrasting views of others as a starting point while inexplicably stating the opposite to be the case. This forum is not a monolith. 
 
Yeah ?  I guess it depends on where you sit.  The echo in here gets overwhelming at times.

But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things.

.
{#Arrowd}
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 2:08pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. 

That's it for me. Hey guys...



Please mean it. So long!
VV

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:25pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

You happily jumped on it, by answering that post of mine. Perhaps without reading what you're answering to... 
Tsss....

Ok, wait... upon second reading you were hinting around at the fact that the site was full of Russian propaganda and therefore not a reputable source.

...my bad.
steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:22pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. 

That's it for me. Hey guys...


Here again you have dismissed contrasting views of others as a starting point while inexplicably stating the opposite to be the case. This forum is not a monolith. 


VV

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:18pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.

I'm happy to say that any narrative on a Russian propaganda site gets an "auto-cancel" from me. Even if that narrative would lean a little pro-NATO. Just like I would apply an auto-cancel to anything anyone might send me on a site that is affiliated with White Supremacy and/or Hate Groups. Be forewarned Flat Earthers... same goes for you guys as well.   


steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:03pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.


It seems to me that you are the one dismissing other “narratives” as “propaganda.” 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:01pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the opposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.


And - as seems obvious at this point - no one in this forum seems at all willing to buy your "alternative narratives", why are you still here? Why not abandon us closed-minded fools to our own devices and take your valuable perspectives elsewhere, where they might be better received?
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:00pm

 VV wrote:

No you didn't.  Where was that stated?

Unless you have made that statement in a past post. Sorry, I don't necessarily back-scroll to try and catch up on every post made.

You happily jumped on it, by answering that post of mine. Perhaps without reading what you're answering to... 
Tsss....
Ivanhoe

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:57pm

 steeler wrote:
The “MSM” reporting on the war in Ukraine is “propaganda” and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an “alternative view” and, presumably, the “truth.” Got it. 

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
VV

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:55pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:


You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.

No you didn't.  Where was that stated?

Unless you have made that statement in a past post. Sorry, I don't necessarily back-scroll to try and catch up on every post made.

FYI, I can make as long as a WikiPost as I like comrade. Here in America and on RP we have that right.

So... let me get this straight... you answer to MSM "propaganda" is Russian propaganda? If you are really ambitious maybe you can locate and translate some Chinese propaganda articles while you are at it. Besides I don't even know what MSM "propaganda" you have an objection with that you felt you needed to counter it with Russian propaganda. You want to sell the "Putin was pushed/justified into what he is doing" argument... sorry I'm not buying. 

Yes, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth which is why Putin has done his best to kill off "figuratively and literally" those sources that would seek to expose it. Your source: Strategic Culture Foundation connected (as it is) to Russian propaganda isn't interested in truth. Seems that you're in need of a "strategic" rethinking of your geo-political views.  

'nough said. 


steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:49pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:


You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.


The “MSM” reporting on the war in Ukraine is “propaganda” and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an “alternative view” and, presumably, the “truth.” Got it. 

Ivanhoe

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:12pm

Here's another, non Russian source you keep asking for at this time:

By using Ukraine to fight Russia, the US provoked Putin's war


Ivanhoe

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:58am

 VV wrote:

No need to check those articles... as you will need to find other "valid" non-Russian propaganda sources to try and make your points. 



You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.

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