That is not at all what I am saying. Just talking about Biden's handling of this problem. It doesn't need to be compared to anything else. The most previously experienced person ever elected to POTUS to take office and with the bonus of all of his foreign policy expertise. This is his plan and he is executing it all by himself. It is unfolding exactly as he expected and planned and prepared for according to his repeated statements. This is Biden's Plan A. That the best that the USA can do is what we have been and are doing now. Couldn't have been done any better by anyone else. Great plan.
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Or are you saying that it would not be any different regardless of who was making the decisions ?
We have some history to guide us here.
Hoards of refugees clamoring to escape persecution, leading to US troops in harm's way to protect them. Yeah, we know how sympathetic Trump was to refugees. I mean, they're from a shithole country, right? Why should we lift a finger to help them, let alone guard an airport while we fly them to safety?
Or maybe he would have built a wall around the airport and made the Taliban pay for it.
Biden has not covered himself with glory here, but this disaster was 20 years in the making. I can't blame the last fool when the previous three did at least as much...as presidents. Biden gets some unique blame for his decades in congress authorizing (and failing to exercise oversight and control over) the debacle as it unrolled, but he's not alone there either.
The recent loss of life is tragic but these bodies are stacked on a pile a quarter million tall.
The answer is going to be plan better. Of course, everyone saying that is from the side that negotiated the deal, reduced all of the troops in-country, and turned over no plan for the final extraction.
It is quite clear that any plans left behind by Trump were discounted and tossed. It has been Biden's plan from day one to undo everything that Trump accomplished over the last four years. Afghanistan is no different. Trump was to have us out by the end of May. Biden disregarded that and came up with his own plan.
On day one Biden killed the Keystone pipeline and just earlier this month was begging OPEC to increase oil production. Defend that one.
Of course, everyone saying that is from the side that negotiated the deal, reduced all of the troops in-country, and turned over no plan for the final extraction.
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised. . I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
Is his hairline blurred out here? What a maroon...
I don't doubt for a minute it wouldn't have happened if he were the President.
After losing the election, he reduced the in-country troops from 13,000 to 2,500. That 2,500 was achieved just days before the inauguration. It wouldn't have happened if he'd won...and we'd be stuck with another 4 years of Trump playing the "Great Defender against the evil Taliban" card. "I alone can fix it".
Trump lit the house on fire and then screams the house wouldn't have burned down if he was Fire Chief. The only problem with his silliness is that too many actually believe him.
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised.
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I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised. . I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
Yeah, if Trump were still in office, it would all have unfolded differently. Something that can never be proven or disproven, like a conspiracy theory.
I think you could pick someone randomly off of the street and put them in charge and it would have all unfolded differently and for the better.
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised. . I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
Yeah, if Trump were still in office, it would all have unfolded differently. Something that can never be proven or disproven, like a conspiracy theory.
That is not at all what I am saying. Just talking about Biden's handling of this problem. It doesn't need to be compared to anything else. The most previously experienced person ever elected to POTUS to take office and with the bonus of all of his foreign policy expertise. This is his plan and he is executing it all by himself. It is unfolding exactly as he expected and planned and prepared for according to his repeated statements. This is Biden's Plan A. That the best that the USA can do is what we have been and are doing now. Couldn't have been done any better by anyone else. Great plan. . Or are you saying that it would not be any different regardless of who was making the decisions ?
Yeah, if Trump were still in office, it would all have unfolded differently. Something that can never be proven or disproven, like a conspiracy theory.
The omniscient and omnipotent Trump clearly would have known how to handle a group of rural conservative gun-toting god-fearing xenophobic patriots coming for the central government while yelling "Make Afghanistan Great Again!".
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised.
. I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
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Aug 26, 2021 - 6:19pm
kurtster wrote:
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised.
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I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
Yeah, if Trump were still in office, it would all have unfolded differently. Something that can never be proven or disproven, like a conspiracy theory.
Y'all knew exactly who you were voting for and are getting exactly what you voted for. No one can even pretend to be surprised.
. I just cannot help but now keep thinking about how many here said so often, fuck Trump and all the people who voted for him or something similar to that ...
And after 4 years of basically daily chaos with plenty of fodder for discussion/criticism Biden has been relatively chaos free. So the first time he gets embroiled in something they release the critic hounds.
Like everything else, the situation will peter out and the media will have something else to go nuts about. But I'm sure the Republicans will want endless Benghazi type hearings on it.
Meanwhile, the real story is the immense human suffering that is occurring.
Yes.
And I'm tired of hearing the tribal arguments that somehow it wasn't always going to be messy, regardless of who was president when the end eventually came.
And after 4 years of basically daily chaos with plenty of fodder for discussion/criticism Biden has been relatively chaos free. So the first time he gets embroiled in something they release the critic hounds.
Like everything else, the situation will peter out and the media will have something else to go nuts about. But I'm sure the Republicans will want endless Benghazi type hearings on it.
Yes.
And I'm tired of hearing the tribal arguments that somehow it wasn't always going to be messy, regardless of who was president when the end eventually came.
Good point. Did we blame Jerry Ford for the collapse of South Vietnam?
Hey Joe ! Since you cannot come up with a way to get out the 15,000 Americans trapped behind Taliban lines, here's a solution for ya !
Hire the Mexican Drug Cartels to go over there and get them out. They seem to specialize in that kind of thing. They'll get them out and muy rapido.
The downside of that for you might mean fewer migrants coming through our southern border ...
Otherwise, we have a little hostage situation taking shape. Going by how much Obama paid Iran in cash for the 5 hostages, about $1.5 Trillion ought to do it.
Well we can all take heart in that if this exit occurred during Trump, his execution would have been at least as equally bad and (more than likely) worse given his poor track record of being unable to lead during a crisis. He probably would have put Jared in charge of the details anyway and gone back to watching Fox.
It's a mess...but it was always going to be messy.
Yes. And I'm tired of hearing the tribal arguments that somehow it wasn't always going to be messy, regardless of who was president when the end eventually came.
