That sounds like a pretty extreme place to be in. I tend to avoid places like that.
As do I.
The thing is that a lot of innocent people who used to be able to pass freely between the US and Canada probably have things like a nice day of shopping on their minds, and not the wrath of the Department of Homeland Security. Depending on your perspective, it was their fault for not checking what kind of trouble they might face by entering the new, militarized US-at-war. Had they done so, they might have changed their minds and decided that going shopping in a police state was too risky. And then we'd have no audio recording to discuss and at least the couple would be a lot happier.
I'd say that it's just plain common sense to do as little as possible to raise the ire of ANY armed thug who's holding you prisoner. If you're not in a position of strength, you have nothing to bargain (or complain) with, so it's best to not even try.
Personally I like the idea that there are still communities of people who feel so innocently empowered to talk back to the authorities. I can even remember when it was possible to do it in the US without getting your head busted and/or disappearing to a concentration camp for the crime of asking why.
The guy in the video you posted put himself in just such a spot. He had several opportunities to avoid going there but he just kept laying down paint and backing into the corner. The whole thing was wrong an stupid. But the only thing he proved was something we knew all along. Regardless of priorities, he wasted a lot of ammo on a very small battle in the war on stupid.
Again, that depends on the perspective you choose to take.
Arguably he was put in that spot by someone abusing their authority. Certainly it takes more effort to fight that, and the path of least resistance is always available. However, that can also mean you'll be riding in the back of the bus for the rest of your life, because that's just the way things are.
PS: That's why, pragmatically speaking, I have no desire or need whatsoever to cross the border.
Sorry, I'm on the side of the border cops on this one. They are doing a job, you just need to let them ask their questions and answer honestly. He could have easily found a better way to answer he was browsing different shops,looking for clothes... without being an ass. And how exactly was this recorded? Was it a stunt?
That sounds like a pretty extreme place to be in. I tend to avoid places like that.
The guy in the video you posted put himself in just such a spot. He had several opportunities to avoid going there but he just kept laying down paint and backing into the corner. The whole thing was wrong an stupid. But the only thing he proved was something we knew all along. Regardless of priorities, he wasted a lot of ammo on a very small battle in the war on stupid.
In the three incidents I was involved with, my refusal to roll over was the difference between getting a traffic citation for something I didn't do, or not getting a citation for something I didn't do. Those three incidents have given me the perception that traffic cops will walk all over you if allowed to do so. Knowing I've not done anything wrong and not playing their bullshit intimidation game has so far worked pretty well for me, thanks.
I never said you should just roll over. I did say you should be aware of your situation and circumstances (and I mean the larger you, not the slabby you). You (slabby) avoided a ticket and didn't spend a night in the pokey, so you walked the line well.
There are times when you can push back and there are times when you can, but should not. If I sense a guy looking for a fight at the border crossing, he might get one joke to lighten the mood, but if he doesn't cheer up it's "yes sir, no sir" until I'm clear. At the end of the day I'm either in Whistler or on my boat (Cuban rum in hand either way). Living well is the best revenge.
As a general rule, when you're cornered with no hope of escape, out-manned, out-gunned and don't have any form of backup on the way, your best strategy is to say and do whatever it takes to keep yourself alive until you're rescued, or you find a much better opportunity to fight your way to freedom.
That sounds like a pretty extreme place to be in. I tend to avoid places like that.
And who is the better rebel - The guy who takes a beating for defying the badge at the end of a stupid policy, or the guy who gets waved on with enough Cuban rum and cigars to last through the next weekend?
I guess that depends on what you're really interested in or care about.
I don't care for either Cuban rum or cigars, though if I would, I'm thankfully in a position where I wouldn't have to smuggle those items because of twisted government policies.
I was taught in civics class that it's in your best interest to remain polite to cops. That's obviously not the same as being subservient or in awe of authority. Even if that might be pragmatic.
As a general rule, when you're cornered with no hope of escape, out-manned, out-gunned and don't have any form of backup on the way, your best strategy is to say and do whatever it takes to keep yourself alive until you're rescued, or you find a much better opportunity to fight your way to freedom.
And who is the better rebel - The guy who takes a beating for defying the badge at the end of a stupid policy, or the guy who gets waved on with enough Cuban rum and cigars to last through the next weekend?
In the three incidents I was involved with, my refusal to roll over was the difference between getting a traffic citation for something I didn't do, or not getting a citation for something I didn't do. Those three incidents have given me the perception that traffic cops will walk all over you if allowed to do so. Knowing I've not done anything wrong and not playing their bullshit intimidation game has so far worked pretty well for me, thanks.
And who is the better rebel - The guy who takes a beating for defying the badge at the end of a stupid policy, or the guy who gets waved on with enough Cuban rum and cigars to last through the next weekend?
I was taught in civics class that it's in your best interest to remain polite to cops. That's obviously not the same as being subservient or in awe of authority. Even if that might be pragmatic. It's quite healthy to have a bit of an anti-authoritarian streak, while remaining reasonable and polite. For the rest, fuck 'm.
And who is the better rebel - The guy who takes a beating for defying the badge at the end of a stupid policy, or the guy who gets waved on with enough Cuban rum and cigars to last through the next weekend?
I have a very difficult time rolling over and taking it up the backside when I know I haven't done anything wrong. Call it a character flaw.
Entirely reasonable.
I was taught in civics class that it's in your best interest to remain polite to cops. That's obviously not the same as being subservient or in awe of authority. Even if that might be pragmatic. It's quite healthy to have a bit of an anti-authoritarian streak, while remaining reasonable and polite. For the rest, fuck 'm.
Border nazi: "If you’re told to do something, do it without asking the reason.”
Since when does recoiling from an armed thug trying to grab you constitute "assault"?
Meanwhile thousands of big rigs full of radioactive ceramics and narcotics, and driven by meth-crazed maniacs are flowing freely back and forth across US borders unimpeded because of NAFTA.
I broke into a dog park last week. It was a Forest Preserve park, with a big heavy lock on the gate, but I decided to go over the low fence, like many others before me. $50 for a pass to the dog park, WTF?
Then I realized, if I got busted, I would probably get arrested for trespassing, they would find the small amount of happy weed in my pocket and they would take my dog away. Because no one wants to warn any more, they want you to know that they are tough. It's gotten out of hand. We definitely are living in a police state. But I think we always have been, it just wasn't so obvious.
I have a very difficult time rolling over and taking it up the backside when I know I haven't done anything wrong. Call it a character flaw.
There is a great divide between rolling over and 'taking it', and being combative and bringing about your own problems. I think the guy in the video was well within his rights the whole time, but you could also see it escalating while he was in his car. There was a point where he could have made a joke or two and dialed it all back, but he persisted. He certainly didn't deserve what happened to him, and it was in no way right, but he also could have prevented it.
I've crossed the Canadian border many times and I've had varied experiences in doing so. I've had agents in a good mood joke around - them: "anything you'd like to declare?" me:"no" them:"a full week on the boat, you must have had time to take care of it all, hahaha". I've had agents just eager to move me along - going into Canada at 4:50pm on Canada day is a good idea! And I've had agents that were clearly having a bad day and looking for a fight or an excuse to take some one's car apart. When you get the angry guy, you sit straight, look them in the eye, and answer their questions. If there is ambiguity you ask for clarification, you say 'sir', and you don't antagonize. I also don't poke rattle snakes or hornets nests with a stick, I don't think that makes me weak in any way.
This is our new reality. We don't have to like it, and we can fight against it in many meaningful ways. The way this guy chose was not meaningful, and in the end did a disservice to him and his wife. The only point he made was that border crossings have become a joke and that agents can be asshats when provoked. I don't think that one really needed to be emphasized.
I broke into a dog park last week. It was a Forest Preserve park, with a big heavy lock on the gate, but I decided to go over the low fence, like many others before me. $50 for a pass to the dog park, WTF?
Then I realized, if I got busted, I would probably get arrested for trespassing, they would find the small amount of happy weed in my pocket and they would take my dog away. Because no one wants to warn any more, they want you to know that they are tough. It's gotten out of hand. We definitely are living in a police state. But I think we always have been, it just wasn't so obvious.
I have found that being extra polite, biting my tongue and following instructions has worked quite well for me in any dealings that I have had with the authorities. Then again I am a white male with short hair and no tatoos or piercings so regardless of what anyone tells you that helps a lot.
I also use this tactic in business, and prior to Mrs. Islander I used it to great effect with the ladies.
