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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 8:05am

 Lazy8 wrote:

And without due process you never will.

The benefit of the doubt does not go to the accuser, it goes to the accused.


point taken, but the way this argument was presented is not particularly effective. Now if they had explained that point and that the student only made comments and/or allegedly participated in vandalism....
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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 7:59am

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I think its important to point out...he did not say visas would be pulled if based on free speech, but will be pulled if you riot, vandalize, harassing....
Now, whether this student in question was rioting, vandalizing, harassing or just "speaking"...I dont know. 

And without due process you never will.

The benefit of the doubt does not go to the accuser, it goes to the accused.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2025 - 7:37am

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She wrote an op-ed. OG cancel culture on nativist steroids.




I think its important to point out...he did not say visas would be pulled if based on free speech, but will be pulled if you riot, vandalize, harassing....
Now, whether this student in question was rioting, vandalizing, harassing or just "speaking"...I dont know. 
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Posted: Mar 27, 2025 - 3:05pm

She wrote an op-ed. OG cancel culture on nativist steroids.

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Posted: Mar 26, 2025 - 12:08pm


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Posted: Sep 16, 2024 - 5:30am

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one of the things we all should be aware of is the RSF index
toward the top are generally places where you would want to live 
have a look at the bottom of that list
chomsky has enjoyed the luxury of criticizing his government for decades
 

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Posted: Aug 8, 2024 - 11:55am

The usual disconnect

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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 3:31pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
I would hope Hedges' point here is not that they should be silenced, but that no one should.

Serves as a warning: if you are creating content don't let the platform hosting it be your only archive.

He has repeatedly made the point that he considers himself silenced by the New War Times. I don't think he approves of such censorship.
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 3:07pm

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As Hedges points out (and has in the past) there is plenty of propaganda in the NYT (and other Western media) on a daily basis, however those won't/can't get silenced.

I would hope Hedges' point here is not that they should be silenced, but that no one should.

Serves as a warning: if you are creating content don't let the platform hosting it be your only archive.
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 1:17pm

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Yes, it's ambiguous wording.  I could presume that "entire video archive" means every video he's ever been associated with (in entirety), not just his RT show.  It seems like deception by omission, but maybe I just take words like "entire" more literally than I ought to.

RT has been cancelled and that means shows with Hedges, Lee Camp, Shatner, etc. vanished down the memory hole.

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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 1:13pm

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Except that's not what he said.

He talked about Hedges' "entire video archive" which presumably means this. 300+ episodes he made for RT.

Hedges has no other account or other show that I know off, but obviously there are plenty of videos left with talks/lectures by him, or interviews with him by others. Those, however, are not his content.

Russia does it, so the EU, YouTube, etc. do it:
The website of the Current Time, a Russian TV channel launched by the
U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty that has been critical of
the Kremlin, became unavailable Sunday after the channel reported
receiving a notification from the authorities.


Yes, it's ambiguous wording.  I could presume that "entire video archive" means every video he's ever been associated with (in entirety), not just his RT show.  It seems like deception by omission, but maybe I just take words like "entire" more literally than I ought to.
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 12:24pm

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The tweet from Steven Donziger is clearly misleading (deliberate or not) in not mentioning RT at all, and inaccurately claiming that all of Hedges' content had been blocked - or as you put it, it was: "meant to enrage and upset without clearly explaining the reason".

Except that's not what he said.

He talked about Hedges' "entire video archive" which presumably means this. 300+ episodes he made for RT.

Hedges has no other account or other show that I know off, but obviously there are plenty of videos left with talks/lectures by him, or interviews with him by others. Those, however, are not his content.

Russia does it, so the EU, YouTube, etc. do it:
The website of the Current Time, a Russian TV channel launched by the
U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty that has been critical of
the Kremlin, became unavailable Sunday after the channel reported
receiving a notification from the authorities.

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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 12:10pm

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RT isn't showing anything that doesn't attack the US or attempt to make it look weak.  Hedges may have had some incredibly valid points on his shows, but he is guilty of propaganda by his association with RT.  

Hedges mentions RT upfront in his post, but the tweet conveniently ignores that and subtlely re-directs the censorship for the reader at Hedges and not RT.  The tweet is meant to enrage and upset without clearly explaining the reason for the removal from YouTube.  It works....which is why roughly half of one political party in the US still believes the election in 2020 was stolen.

The tweet from Steven Donziger is clearly misleading (deliberate or not) in not mentioning RT at all, and inaccurately claiming that all of Hedges' content had been blocked - or as you put it, it was: "meant to enrage and upset without clearly explaining the reason".
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 11:39am

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true, but they do get exposed and we can still call them out

Except where void.

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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 11:36am

 R_P wrote:

As Hedges points out (and has in the past) there is plenty of propaganda in the NYT (and other Western media) on a daily basis, however those won't/can't get silenced.



true, but they do get exposed and we can still call them out 
authoritarian regimes? not so much
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 11:34am

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As Hedges points out (and has in the past) there is plenty of propaganda in the NYT (and other Western media) on a daily basis, however those won't/can't get silenced.


I thought Lara Logan was a pretty good journalist for many years.  Now she seems to have lost touch with reality.  People change, or at least their focus does as they change jobs/employers.  


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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 11:32am

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I just searched "Chris Hedges" on youtube and there are plenty of videos...


i think this is regarding his show

"The entire archive of six years of my show On Contact has been removed by YouTube."
-CH

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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 11:30am

As Hedges points out (and has in the past) there is plenty of propaganda in the NYT (and other Western media) on a daily basis, however those won't/can't get silenced.
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