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Isabeau

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Posted: Jul 20, 2024 - 11:21am

Steeler.
Steely_D.  
*Now back to our regularly scheduled Program*

steeler

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Posted: Jul 20, 2024 - 10:56am

 Steely_D wrote:


I’m not in the game that much anymore, but if it’s respiratory stuff I think they’d usually do lung CT (not X-ray, since they’re normal) and maybe a VQ scan. The latter shows areas of O2 going in, but not getting into the bloodstream. Again, not my thing, but that’s what I recall. And the Covid thing has been causing lots of grief in that area (personal experience).

Where do you stand on vaccine boosters? 

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Posted: Jul 20, 2024 - 10:35am

 kurtster wrote:
How are these types of clots detected and resolved ?  The wife is pretty effed up without going into details since she knows a lot of folks here and I don't want to discuss stuff she hasn't shared or does not want to.  But I need to know more.  .


I’m not in the game that much anymore, but if it’s respiratory stuff I think they’d usually do lung CT (not X-ray, since they’re normal) and maybe a VQ scan. The latter shows areas of O2 going in, but not getting into the bloodstream. Again, not my thing, but that’s what I recall. And the Covid thing has been causing lots of grief in that area (personal experience).
Isabeau

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Posted: Jul 20, 2024 - 4:11am

 kurtster wrote:
I do remember that during the period of my transplant they were changing port types and IV line connectors and using Heparin to flush these fittings was changed to saline.  An ER nurse refused to use Heparin with my port and I ended up with clots and spent a week back in isolation on the transplant floor getting IV Heparin 24 / 7 for a week to resolve it.  Never saw a bill for that one.  I guess they figured out that their nurse blew it and ate it.  I did not sue.  Could'a but it was resolved and here I am 15 years later with an unspoken understanding of sorts between me and the hospital regarding financial matters.


  Wow.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2024 - 12:52am

 Jiggz wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Only my first two Moderna's.  Waited to get that instead of the Pfizer.  Too many possible handling problems and we never did find out what happens to the vaccine if it got warmer than the required storage temp before using.  Couldn't trust the distribution chain. The wife got a booster against my wishes, which I kept to myself.  She had to make up her own mind by herself.  I should'a spoke up.  Very shortly afterwards she got pneumonia, was hospitalized and has been on oxygen ever since. With what is apparently long covid.  She wishes she hadn't and I wish I had spoken up.  

I hear you...my sister kept on at me to get the jab. I declined but I failed to make any attempt to discourage her. She had to make her own mind up by herself.
She got the long white rubbery clots in her leg and heart, was saved at the last hurdle, only to discover she has one of those turbo cancers that has now metastisized from her bowel to her liver.
5th round of chemo started this week....5 foot 9 and 42kgs...I hope she makes it. She is 63.
My other sister who is 70 and admittedly obese suddenly developed some weird blood disorder/haemaglobin/bone marrow issue that I had never before heard of and requires frequent transfusions. I now know 3 people with this same disorder, one in her 40's. Never heard of it before.
I should'a fucking spoken up, man..... At body temp the lipid nano-particles solidify and agglomerate.....there you go. I hope your good wife gets better. There are spike protein detoxification programmes that one can find and follow if you want to go down that rabitt hole.
 
You are the second person to tell me about these type of clots within a direct knowledge personal family setting.  I am aware that Pfizer just got the boot in the EU over these types of issues IIRC.

How are these types of clots detected and resolved ?  The wife is pretty effed up without going into details since she knows a lot of folks here and I don't want to discuss stuff she hasn't shared or does not want to.  But I need to know more. 

I do remember that during the period of my transplant they were changing port types and IV line connectors and using Heparin to flush these fittings was changed to saline.  An ER nurse refused to use Heparin with my port and I ended up with clots and spent a week back in isolation on the transplant floor getting IV Heparin 24 / 7 for a week to resolve it.  Never saw a bill for that one.  I guess they figured out that their nurse blew it and ate it.  I did not sue.  Could'a but it was resolved and here I am 15 years later with an unspoken understanding of sorts between me and the hospital regarding financial matters.
Steely_D

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 10:23pm

 Jiggz wrote:
You can be informed or not...your choice.

It’s always tempting to think that you’ve figured out something that no one else has. Makes you feel good, I bet. The mark of you actually understanding something, and having it turn out to be credible and applicable, is that you’re not a lone voice ranting in the wilderness. That’s not an ego boost, sorry to say.

It’s like the flat earth conspiracy: good for some open ended questions and some suppositions but, if followed further, lead to a dead end in the world of chemistry or physics or biochemistry or planetary science - none of which have a politics. As soon as you start with “you lefties” then your credibility (and I know you desperately want credibility; I’m sorry) is gone

Here’s a (literal) pro-tip, since I’m (literally) a pro: get a degree in biochemistry or physiology or physics or something similar and then see where your “lipids solidify at body temperature” contention fits. Spoiler: it doesn’t. They can build up in plaques and clog arteries, a la coronary artery disease; but that’s not what you’re saying.

Now - something else may be happening in some people that have reactions, like allergic response or hypercoaguability, which is why I was specific in my correction of your misunderstanding about the behavior of lipids (and there are many kinds of lipids, BTW). There may be a problem with injections, like there was with giving 100% oxygen to babies (blinded Stevland Morris), or Thalidomide - but it at least needs to align with an understanding of chemistry and physiology.




Jiggz



Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 8:44pm

 Steely_D wrote:


Warmth makes lipids melt, not solidify.
They can solidify at room temperature, but the body is warmer than that.
If you've got some (legit) scientific source that says otherwise, pass it along.



I know warmth should make lipids melt...however, this seems to work inversely.
Hence the need for a proper cold chain through the entire distribution process.

Unfortunately, Pfizer applied for and successfully received a 75 year moratorium on making public all their trial data documents.

Fortunately, a FOIA request made by some disbelieving crazies successfully had that decision reversed and in the end Pfizer dumped 55000 pages of trial data in three tranches.

This data was parsed through by a team of some 3500 volunteer mostly retired legal and medical and clerical types and their findings released in a series of reports available at https://dailyclout.io/pfizer-a...

You lefties used to like and trust Naomi Wolf until she began raising questions about the jab and women's reproductive health.
Then you all cancelled her and she found herself alone and in the wilderness.

In the end she found support to get her message out from some disbelieving crazies.

This is where you find her and her team now.....its about 100 reports.
I may be wrong but I think its around report 49 that the odd inverse behaviour of the lipid nanoparticles is mentioned.
It is in a much later report where it becomes apparent that the formula Pfizer used for their EUA is not the same formulation that was used for bulk manufacture ie the EUA application process was basically crook from the get go, and that there was basically zero informed consent globally because the formulation was different. It was around then as well that the contaminations were first mentioned...some kind of monkey DNA and some kind of cancer triggering virus or microbe or something......might be worth reading that.

The reports make quite interesting reading.

Knock yourself out......alternatively you can yell about Dr. Naomi Wolf being a dipshit and that the said or did something 20 years ago that now makes her redundant and not worth hearing.
Then you don't have to read anything and not run the risk of getting your brainwashing rinsed out.
You can be informed or not...your choice.





Steely_D

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 3:33pm

 Jiggz wrote:
At body temp the lipid nano-particles solidify and agglomerate.....there you go.


Warmth makes lipids melt, not solidify.
They can solidify at room temperature, but the body is warmer than that.
If you've got some (legit) scientific source that says otherwise, pass it along.
Isabeau

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 3:18pm

WTF?  I JUST MOWED!!!
Jiggz



Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 11:59am

 kurtster wrote:

Only my first two Moderna's.  Waited to get that instead of the Pfizer.  Too many possible handling problems and we never did find out what happens to the vaccine if it got warmer than the required storage temp before using.  Couldn't trust the distribution chain.

The wife got a booster against my wishes, which I kept to myself.  She had to make up her own mind by herself.  I should'a spoke up.  Very shortly afterwards she got pneumonia, was hospitalized and has been on oxygen ever since. With what is apparently long covid.  She wishes she hadn't and I wish I had spoken up.  



I hear you...my sister kept on at me to get the jab. I declined but I failed to make any attempt to discourage her. She had to make her own mind up by herself.
She got the long white rubbery clots in her leg and heart, was saved at the last hurdle, only to discover she has one of those turbo cancers that has now metastisized from her bowel to her liver.
5th round of chemo started this week....5 foot 9 and 42kgs...I hope she makes it. She is 63.
My other sister who is 70 and admittedly obese suddenly developed some weird blood disorder/haemaglobin/bone marrow issue that I had never before heard of and requires frequent transfusions. I now know 3 people with this same disorder, one in her 40's. Never heard of it before.
I should'a fucking spoken up, man.....

At body temp the lipid nano-particles solidify and agglomerate.....there you go.

I hope your good wife gets better. There are spike protein detoxification programmes that one can find and follow if you want to go down that rabitt hole.
steeler

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 11:20am

 Jiggz wrote:

How many folks here have had their ninth 'Rona jab.......everyone was pretty gung-ho for them back at the time.
I was wondering if the shine had worn off by now, or if the strokes and cancers had put the brakes on anyone.......or if everyone was still balls-to-the-wall trusting the science and lining up for booster number nine....just wondering..........and expecting to hear crickets.....



I have received boosters after the original two. I plan on getting one this fall after the updated vaccine becomes available. No issues to date.
kurtster

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 10:58am

 Jiggz wrote:
How many folks here have had their ninth 'Rona jab.......everyone was pretty gung-ho for them back at the time.
I was wondering if the shine had worn off by now, or if the strokes and cancers had put the brakes on anyone.......or if everyone was still balls-to-the-wall trusting the science and lining up for booster number nine....just wondering..........and expecting to hear crickets.....
 
Only my first two Moderna's.  Waited to get that instead of the Pfizer.  Too many possible handling problems and we never did find out what happens to the vaccine if it got warmer than the required storage temp before using.  Couldn't trust the distribution chain.

The wife got a booster against my wishes, which I kept to myself.  She had to make up her own mind by herself.  I should'a spoke up.  Very shortly afterwards she got pneumonia, was hospitalized and has been on oxygen ever since. With what is apparently long covid.  She wishes she hadn't and I wish I had spoken up.  
Jiggz



Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 10:41am

How many folks here have had their ninth 'Rona jab.......everyone was pretty gung-ho for them back at the time.
I was wondering if the shine had worn off by now, or if the strokes and cancers had put the brakes on anyone.......or if everyone was still balls-to-the-wall trusting the science and lining up for booster number nine....just wondering..........and expecting to hear crickets.....
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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 6:05pm

Boisterous bunch
Beaker

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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 5:01pm

 islander wrote:
I often wonder: "If I'm on a list where someone watches/reviews my google searches, what things do I cause them to search". I imagine that an underpaid bureaucrat in a Brazil style office somewhere just punched up 'goniophotometer'. 



I'm sure I'm now on at least two watch lists, and probably a no-fly list for Googling 'goniophotometer'.

islander

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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 4:22pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


He's on his third goniophotometer. Hard to believe they wear out.


I often wonder: "If I'm on a list where someone watches/reviews my google searches, what things do I cause them to search". I imagine that an underpaid bureaucrat in a Brazil style office somewhere just punched up 'goniophotometer'. 

Beaker

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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 2:37pm

 islander wrote:

Would you two stop using that word please?




Relax Vasili.  We're only at 2 pings each.
islander

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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 2:17pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Servo would jump in to say that although they may be brighter, they are often not focused the same as a filament bulb would be, so if the lenses and reflectors are all engineered for a filament at X position, your flat LED bulbs might throw hotspots where you don't want them. 

Would you two stop using that word please?


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 1:54pm

 Beaker wrote:


At which point I'd request Servo conduct an experiment - compare and contrast the illumination values and throw distance provided by an old school incandescent flashlight shoved up his rectum, with the more modern same size LED flashlight equivalent.  But that's just me, trying to be scientific and stuff.




He'll just print off the spreadsheet from last time.
Beaker

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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 1:44pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Servo would jump in to say that although they may be brighter, they are often not focused the same as a filament bulb would be, so if the lenses and reflectors are all engineered for a filament at X position, your flat LED bulbs might throw hotspots where you don't want them. 


At which point I'd request Servo conduct an experiment - compare and contrast the illumination values and throw distance provided by an old school incandescent flashlight shoved up his rectum, with the more modern same size LED flashlight equivalent.  But that's just me, trying to be scientific and stuff.


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