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Coaxial

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Location: 543westofParadis,1491east ofParadise
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Posted: Feb 1, 2023 - 7:42am

 Beez wrote:
I miss my dad.
 
Me too and I didn't even know him. xoxo
Beez

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Posted: Feb 1, 2023 - 7:38am

 Red_Dragon wrote:





It just won't ease up.  
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Posted: Feb 1, 2023 - 7:19am

 Beez wrote:

I miss my dad.





Beez

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Location: Lookout Mountain, Alabama
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Posted: Feb 1, 2023 - 7:17am

I miss my dad.
Peyote

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Location: limbo
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Posted: Jan 30, 2023 - 11:50am

 black321 wrote:

Your comments reminded me of something Sagan said years ago





Excellent! Thank you. I read 2 of his books and believe his scientific method

Peyote

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Location: limbo
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Posted: Jan 30, 2023 - 11:44am

 Coaxial wrote:

{#Hug}


I miss y'all. I listen and lurk. I should convo more often 
miamizsun

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Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 2:52pm

 Peyote wrote:


I agree to government keeping its HEAD (pardon the pun) out of my lady parts!



 
Coaxial

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Location: 543westofParadis,1491east ofParadise
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 11:28am

 Peyote wrote:
 Coaxial wrote:

{#Drummer}
Hey Randy!!
 
{#Hug}
black321

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Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 9:54am

 Steely_D wrote:

You guys probably know I have a medical background, so I've had to think about this abortion topic a bit. I've delivered nearly 100 babies. Once, during OB training, my boss called me to come watch/participate in an abortion. Afterward, I told him that he need never call me again, and he didn't. Gives you an idea about my gut feelings, but let's not stop there.

I firmly believe that abortion as a means of simple "whoops" birth control - careless, repeated, flippant - is horrible. It's such a complex issue that to make it unimportant is lazy and sinful, if there is such a thing. I've cared for more than one woman  who has had almost twenty abortions.

But, there are absolutely circumstances where it seems like the right, even kind, thing to do. Saying it should never ever happen is just being thoughtless about the multilayered topic.

To be clear: after conception, the embryo/fetus/baby is not the woman's body. The fetus (let's use one word) has a distinct set of genes that are not the mother's. For instance, it can have a different blood type. So reducing the topic to "controlling a woman's body" misses this fact. (Pregnancy prevention has to do with the woman's body, of course.)

So abortion is really talking about the consequence to another -potentially- living thing. But let's not get too black&white about it. Truly, up to a certain point, it can be something as non-human as a morula, which  is not something I would consider a baby or fetus or whatever. So I'm gonna jump completely out of the topic of "but when is it a baby?"

But here's where I do jump back in, and the point of this ramble: politicians have no business legislating health care, and that includes abortion. They don't know enough, and the knowledge base of health care changes constantly, when it's done right. In my home town, one of the elected officials was a C student but a good basketball player and I completely believe that he can't read a lot of the polysyllabic words in this screed. And yet he's pontificating at meetings about what "should" be done on this topic and others, and frequently by invoking Christianity. Makes me livid.

TL;DR: medical care decisions shouldn't be legislated by people who don't know the topic; they need to stay in their lane and let medical boards decide who is/isn't giving bad medical care.



Your comments reminded me of something Sagan said years ago



Peyote

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Location: limbo
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Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 9:42am

 miamizsun wrote:


maybe that's the morula of the story
sorry i couldn't help myself...


I agree to government keeping its HEAD (pardon the pun) out of my lady parts!
Peyote

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Location: limbo
Gender: Female


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 9:39am

 Coaxial wrote:

{#Drummer}


Hey Randy!!
Coaxial

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Location: 543westofParadis,1491east ofParadise
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 8:00am

 miamizsun wrote:
 Steely_D wrote:

Mu. All situations where the state decides what should be medically done are wrong. Physicians should be trained in good health care, communicate options to and work with the patients or their proxies, and be censured/defrocked by a medical board if they're giving bad care (which includes assault if they perform care that the patient doesn't want). "Bad care" isn't decided in the giant compromise of the legislature.
maybe that's the morula of the story
sorry i couldn't help myself...
 
{#Drummer}
miamizsun

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Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 7:49am

 Steely_D wrote:

Mu.

All situations where the state decides what should be medically done are wrong. Physicians should be trained in good health care, communicate options to and work with the patients or their proxies, and be censured/defrocked by a medical board if they're giving bad care (which includes assault if they perform care that the patient doesn't want). "Bad care" isn't decided in the giant compromise of the legislature.


maybe that's the morula of the story
sorry i couldn't help myself...
Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 29, 2023 - 5:40am

 Steely_D wrote:

Mu.

All situations where the state decides what should be medically done are wrong. Physicians should be trained in good health care, communicate options to and work with the patients or their proxies, and be censured/defrocked by a medical board if they're giving bad care (which includes assault if they perform care that the patient doesn't want). "Bad care" isn't decided in the giant compromise of the legislature.


Absolutely Agree. 

Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 7:42pm

 westslope wrote:

'You' is definitely not me.  All the same.....

Scenario 1.    The woman and doctor decide.  The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health;  the woman agrees; the litigation is performed.  

Scenario 2.   The woman and doctor decide. The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health; the woman disagrees.  The state intervenes and forces the woman to be sterilized.

Scenario 3. The woman and doctor decide. The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health; the woman disagrees. The state does not intervene.  The doctor continues to perform abortions.

At which point you Steely_D jump in here and give us stylized facts of the health risk for women who frequently receive abortions.  


Mu.

All situations where the state decides what should be medically done are wrong. Physicians should be trained in good health care, communicate options to and work with the patients or their proxies, and be censured/defrocked by a medical board if they're giving bad care (which includes assault if they perform care that the patient doesn't want). "Bad care" isn't decided in the giant compromise of the legislature.
Manbird

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 7:06pm

 Steely_D wrote:


No need to insult me. Something I still wonder about - there are women out there IRL that have had that many (more than a dozen) abortions, and I think that's wrong. How about you?





KurtfromLaQuinta

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Location: Really deep in the heart of South California
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 7:04pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Yup, it did.
Still prefer foldable maps for overall directional context instead of a focus on nearby restaurants.   

I like the old school maps too.
It's nice to see point A to point B without all that scrolling.


KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 7:02pm

 Steely_D wrote:


No need to insult me. Something I still wonder about - there are women out there IRL that have had that many (more than a dozen) abortions, and I think that's wrong. How about you?

I agree with you.


Steely_D

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Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 4:55pm

 Peyote wrote:


And you get this information where? And what business is it of yours how many "abortions" a woman has? Do you consider Plan B or morning after pill an abortion?

You're kinda jumping in late, so read a few posts prior to this instead of asking me to do it for you.
And, you could give your opinion on the topic instead of just throwing more question bombs.
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Jan 28, 2023 - 3:00pm

 Steely_D wrote:


No need to insult me. Something I still wonder about - there are women out there IRL that have had that many (more than a dozen) abortions, and I think that's wrong. How about you?


'You' is definitely not me.  All the same.....

Scenario 1.    The woman and doctor decide.  The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health;  the woman agrees; the litigation is performed.  

Scenario 2.   The woman and doctor decide. The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health; the woman disagrees.  The state intervenes and forces the woman to be sterilized.

Scenario 3. The woman and doctor decide. The doctor argues in favour of sterilization for the sake of the woman's health; the woman disagrees. The state does not intervene.  The doctor continues to perform abortions.

At which point you Steely_D jump in here and give us stylized facts of the health risk for women who frequently receive abortions.  

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