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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 2:46pm

 kurtster wrote:


Because sterno begat ...



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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 2:33pm

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Because sterno begat ...



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  My thought exactly.


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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 2:32pm

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Why would I brag about my ...



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Because sterno begat ...



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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 1:35pm

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I'd use the Dual turntable over the disco one.  Even better, buy a new or used Rega.


Its a Dual 504.  I'd like to think the 1978 SL 1700 is pre disco.  I know the debate between direct drive and belt is ongoing to this day.  I would get a clamp, I recognize the value.  I need to get a strobe light for the Dual to check the speed.  The SL1700 just plain works great right now.  But I would be picking up a spare belt for the Dual when getting the new stylus.  
A/T was never that great in phono cartridges.  Instead of spending big bux to replace the stylus on an aging, middling cartridge, why not just buy a new Grado?


The AT is the best I have.  The Dual has a mid grade Ortofon FF15E Mk II.  I always liked the sound of the shibata stylus.  It was different and I could hear the difference.

Any comments on how MM's age ?  (everyone's opinion on this is welcome)  It too, is a 1978 cartridge.  MC is great, but I don't know if my ART will handle the signal.  It does have a variable gain.
You might want to consider FLAC instead of WAV.  Although the file size compression isn't worth it, the in-file metadata is!

Nope staying with wav.  I will just have to type more.  Besides, I don't have a server or program that will play FLAC.  That would be another purchase.
 
Until I hit the lottery, I gots to work with what I have.

Servo

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 10:18am

 black321 wrote:
If your trying to convince me that what I'm hearing, I'm actually not...you're not being very effective. I can add just as many engineers on my side to say the sound did change, but I'm not interested. I'm simply interested in adding some opinions on audio systems. As for words like soundstage and grain, their descriptive words (like for example, stupid or gimp) to describe certain sound qualities that exist whether or not cables make a difference in sound.
 
It's your money, so you're free to spend it (or light cigars with it) as you see fit.  It's not my job to deprogram True Believers.  But in this open forum I can warn others about scams, and point out that people who are afraid to risk failure in a controlled, scientific test have issues that have nothing to do with sound quality.

Excellent audio reproduction does not require personality cults.


Servo

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 10:06am

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Fast forward.  All this stuff I bought in the 80's and 90's is finally wearing out and breaking.  My Techniques SL 1700 still purrs however and I have a Dual sitting on the side just in case.  Its time to go visit Audio Technica and see what they have laying around in cartridges.  Their national headquarters is a half an hour from the house in Stow, Ohio and I bought some closeouts there years ago.  Anyone have any links for styli ?  I have a primo buss powered USB D/A (ART USB phono plus, I highly recommend this, $100) converter from turntable to puter with a variable gain and turntable ground connect, so ground loop be gone.  What's more, if your receiver has no phono input this is great.  It has available ac power and analog and toslink in and out.  Bytes are now so cheap, I rip everything into wav and keep it wav as long as possible.

I'd use the Dual turntable over the disco one.  Even better, buy a new or used Rega.

A/T was never that great in phono cartridges.  Instead of spending big bux to replace the stylus on an aging, middling cartridge, why not just buy a new Grado?

Art makes good stuff.  Good choice going with an established pro audio brand vs. one of the many fly-by-night "audiophile" brands.

Unless you still have vinyl or reel to reel, everything is now digital. The goal is to keep everything digital as long as possible and avoid conversion to analog until the last moment.
...
Every time I make another jump to keeping the signal digital through another step to the receiver, the quality improves.

{#Yes}  I've done away with all of my traditional analog "stereo" components.  Everything is handled in the digital domain on a computer.  The only thing I haven't found a good solution for is a digital replacement for active crossovers.  Current digital crossovers are designed for large, complex PA audio systems—total overkill for home use, not to mention the prices.

Since I no longer play vinyl, I only rip it and I am ripping my CD's to wav...

You might want to consider FLAC instead of WAV.  Although the file size compression isn't worth it, the in-file metadata is!

I am hoping that the difference is as profound as when I play a CD instead of listening to the same file through the puters soundcard headphone jack to the receiver w/ radio shack ground loop adapter. Hopefully it will sound better than the CD. I will report back when that is accomplished.

Eliminating the time base errors caused by the spinning disc makes a big difference!


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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 10:06am

 kurtster wrote:

Thanks for the link. xlnt.

I have a Audio Technica DR500LC in the turntable now.

I need a stylus for my AT-14 Sa.  They have one.  Only $99.99.  Same as I last saw a price 10 years ago.  The Shibata stylus was made for quad LP's and fit the groove very precisely and was very easy on wear of the LP.  I noticed a much better and fuller sound from my records with it.  Since I am in the process of heavy duty ripping, its time to bite the bullet.  The DR500 is pretty good but ... the 14Sa is so much better.
 
I used to have about 100 cartridges I got from a friends hi end audio store that went under including a new AT-14Sa that I recently sold on Fleabay. It is a good sounding cartridge but there are lots better cartridges out there. I only use Low Output Moving Coil cartridges now. My current fav is the older model Dynavector 23MR. Very low mass and can pick out detail better than any under $1000 cartridge I've tried so far. Because of its high compliance you do need a lower mass tone arm for it however so its not for every turntable.
One of the best sounding new MM cartridges I've had though is the Clearaudio Virtuoso and they can be had reasonably used.


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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 10:05am

 Servo wrote:

As a matter of fact we have at least ...

 




If your trying to convince me that what I'm hearing, I'm actually not...you're not being very effective. I can add just as many engineers on my side to say the sound did change, but I'm not interested. I'm simply interested in adding some opinions on audio systems. As for words like soundstage and grain, their descriptive words (like for example, stupid or gimp) to describe certain sound qualities that exist whether or not cables make a difference in sound.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 10:01am

 black321 wrote:


Have you checked out sites like thetradersden.org and dimeadozen.org? Lots of great live audio and video recordings.

 

Thanks again, I'll check these out, too.
black321

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:54am

 kurtster wrote:

Thanks for the link. xlnt.

I have a Audio Technica DR500LC in the turntable now.

I need a stylus for my AT-14 Sa.  They have one.  Only $99.99.  Same as I last saw a price 10 years ago.  The Shibata stylus was made for quad LP's and fit the groove very precisely and was very easy on wear of the LP.  I noticed a much better and fuller sound from my records with it.  Since I am in the process of heavy duty ripping, its time to bite the bullet.  The DR500 is pretty good but ... the 14Sa is so much better.
 




Have you checked out sites like thetradersden.org and dimeadozen.org? Lots of great live audio and video recordings.
Servo

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:26am

 cc_rider wrote:
Naw, I prefer jamming bamboo skewers under my fingernails. Less painful, and a lot cheaper.
 
Still using bamboo?  You should check out the latest crop of ceramic skewers... {#Lol}

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:23am

 black321 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
 
 

I subscribed to Audiophile and Audio back in the 90's for years and used to be pretty informed on things Audio.  Could hardly afford any of the stuff reviewed, but I was informed and made good choices for the stuff I picked up along the way and learned the right questions for deciding what would serve me best for the buck.  Then came the 21st century and my interest turned to computers.  Radio in this town died a horrible death and I got a puter.  Late in 2000, I stumbled onto RP's stream and turned in this direction for listenable music and new to me music no longer available over the air.  And there was Napster.  I had a source for all the stuff I never could find or buy or was put of print.  I wanted to find a way to listen to all this stuff without burning and playing via CD....Anyone have any links for styli ?  ... Hopefully it will sound better than the CD.  I will report back when that is accomplished.

Thanks for listening.



 


and that's what adds to the fun...the chase.

here's a link for turntable gear:
http://www.lpgear.com/category/TS1.html
 
Thanks for the link. xlnt.

I have a Audio Technica DR500LC in the turntable now.

I need a stylus for my AT-14 Sa.  They have one.  Only $99.99.  Same as I last saw a price 10 years ago.  The Shibata stylus was made for quad LP's and fit the groove very precisely and was very easy on wear of the LP.  I noticed a much better and fuller sound from my records with it.  Since I am in the process of heavy duty ripping, its time to bite the bullet.  The DR500 is pretty good but ... the 14Sa is so much better.

Servo

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:18am

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Of course the science is a relevant discussion, but no offense to any posters here...I doubt any are qualified to truly argue the point.
 
As a matter of fact we have at least a couple of trained engineers here.  One actually studied linear circuits as a major, and has decades of professional experience, as well as being an audiophile for 35 years.

...But, when I swapped out my Bluejean cable interconnects with a pair of Audioquest King Cobra interconnects, I heard the soundstage open up, and the high end lose a touch of grain.

Obviously those aren't your own words, since words like "soundstage" and "grain" are well-known high-end buzzwords.  Unscrupulous salespeople use those words every day to indoctrinate foolish customers into believing what they're told to believe.  It's a scam, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

If I was a betting man, I'd wager serious money that you couldn't pick one over another in actual double-blind testing.

Among the "audiophile" folks I've met on my journey, it is still a divided camp...but I found a strong majority leaning towards it makes a difference to at least upgrade from the stock cords. And as you pointed out in another post, just because the manufacturer didnt include the "best" cord/connection or whatever with the stock unit, doesnt mean an updgrade/tweak wouldn't make it better. Of course its all marketing (whether or not they include the best cord/cable...), regardless of the price point.

In this age of home A/V and "whole house" audio systems, it's fair to say that manufacturers can rightly presume that their products will be connected to infrastructure wiring, which makes their own supplied cables a courtesy.

Let's remember that the job of the manufacturer is to sell its product, not to educate the consumer or start a feud with other manufacturers that market fraudulent products through the same retail outlets.

And because of all the variables in a given system, what works for me may not for you...and vice versa.

Any good Hi-Fi salesperson will admit that there is no such thing as perfection, and that the key to getting a system you like is to choose the nonlinearities that you prefer.

If you want to have some real fun, try experimenting with outboard DACs.

Experimenting how?  I just hook mine up and play music...


DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:03am

 kurtster wrote:
 
 


Fast forward.  All this stuff I bought in the 80's and 90's is finally wearing out and breaking.  My Techniques SL 1700 still purrs however and I have a Dual sitting on the side just in case.  Its time to go visit Audio Technica and see what they have laying around in cartridges.  Their national headquarters is a half an hour from the house in Stow, Ohio and I bought some closeouts there years ago.  Anyone have any links for styli ?  I have a primo buss powered USB D/A (ART USB phono plus, I highly recommend this, $100) converter from turntable to puter with a variable gain and turntable ground connect, so ground loop be gone.  What's more, if your receiver has no phono input this is great.  It has available ac power and analog and toslink in and out.  Bytes are now so cheap, I rip everything into wav and keep it wav as long as possible
.



Another good place is "The Needle Doctor"
black321

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:57am

 kurtster wrote:
 
 

I subscribed to Audiophile and Audio back in the 90's for years and used to be pretty informed on things Audio.  Could hardly afford any of the stuff reviewed, but I was informed and made good choices for the stuff I picked up along the way and learned the right questions for deciding what would serve me best for the buck.  Then came the 21st century and my interest turned to computers.  Radio in this town died a horrible death and I got a puter.  Late in 2000, I stumbled onto RP's stream and turned in this direction for listenable music and new to me music no longer available over the air.  And there was Napster.  I had a source for all the stuff I never could find or buy or was put of print.  I wanted to find a way to listen to all this stuff without burning and playing via CD....Anyone have any links for styli ?  ... Hopefully it will sound better than the CD.  I will report back when that is accomplished.

Thanks for listening.



 




and that's what adds to the fun...the chase.

here's a link for turntable gear:
http://www.lpgear.com/category/TS1.html

mzpro5

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:47am

 Servo wrote:

I'll agree with the dumb part, but at the prices that high-end stuff sells for, it's not a poor man's hobby.

For the record, my local high-end stereo boutique did mods too.  The goal is the same in both cases.  So what's your point?

In your home if your right speaker cable is 8 ft long and the left is 10 ft long there is no difference in sound from the two speakers,

The last time I checked, the difference of 10' and 8' is 2'.  So there is a difference, as any grade-schooler can tell you.

Most audiophiles and audio pros alike are capable of cutting their cables to tolerances a whole lot tighter than a couple feet.  Just ask DaveInVA.  As the saying goes: "those who can, do."

 

Gee what will it take for you to stop being an asshole.  Agree that you know more than me on this subject?  OK I agree.

And if you take time to read it says "no difference in the sound" not "no difference". 

And believe me I know a bit about the hobby and the cost of high end stuff.  In case you overlooked it here is my setup.  Feel free to tear it down as I know you get your real jollies by insulting people.

And spew on - I'm done with your crap..

Outlaw 990 - Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7700 - 7 channel amp

SVS 20-39 PC + - Sub Woofer
SVS MTS-01 towers - front speakers,
SVS MCS-01 center speaker
SVS MBS-01 rear surround speakers

Behringer A500 - Aux 2 channel amp for outdoor speakers

Sony CDP-545 - CD player
Phillips CDR 765 - CD recorder/player

Technics SL-DL5 - turn table

Squeezebox 3 - use to stream RP and 8600 songs in my computer collection

Remote Harmony One - The One that controls them all


Servo

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:37am

 mzpro5 wrote:
We're talking home/consumer products, not " pro audio/video business".   I will not pretend to be in the "pro audio/visual business" - just a poor dumb consumer with 45 years experience playing around with home systems.
 
I'll agree with the dumb part, but at the prices that high-end stuff sells for, it's not a poor man's hobby.

For the record, my local high-end stereo boutique did mods too.  The goal is the same in both cases.  So what's your point?

In your home if your right speaker cable is 8 ft long and the left is 10 ft long there is no difference in sound from the two speakers,

The last time I checked, the difference of 10' and 8' is 2'.  So there is a difference, as any grade-schooler can tell you.

Most audiophiles and audio pros alike are capable of cutting their cables to tolerances a whole lot tighter than a couple feet.  Just ask DaveInVA.  As the saying goes: "those who can, do."


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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:32am

 black321 wrote:
If you want to have some real fun, try experimenting with outboard DACs.
  Naw, I prefer jamming bamboo skewers under my fingernails. Less painful, and a lot cheaper.


kurtster

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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:28am

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Exactly...and that's why all the talk of resistance and impotence (ha) doesnt matter to me.  Of course the science is a relevant discussion, but no offense to any posters here...I doubt any are qualified to truly argue the point. It seems to be turning into an argument of Dem vs. Rep or Keynesian vs. Austrian School. If you guys are having fun with that, by all means, carry on.  Regardless, it all boils down to whether the listener can hear a difference.  In the beginning I was in the naysayer camp.  But, when I swapped out my Bluejean cable interconnects with a pair of Audioquest King Cobra interconnects, I heard the soundstage open up, and the high end lose a touch of grain.  Was it night and day? No.  Was it a discernible difference?  Yes, but a difference you may not hear with the typical surround system one picks up at Best Buy...but one I could discern in my system...and something I verified in a blind test with other listeners.  Believe me, the last thing I wanted to find was that spending $400 on a cable would make a difference in my system.  But then again, that's the fun of owning a nice rig...experimenting with different tweaks to see how they affect the sound.  I didn't mind spending a $100 (I got mine used) to see if it would work, science be damned?...and it did. 

Among the "audiophile" folks I've met on my journey, it is still a divided camp...but I found a strong majority leaning towards it makes a difference to at least upgrade from the stock cords.   And as you pointed out in another post, just because the manufacturer didnt include the "best" cord/connection or whatever with the stock unit, doesnt mean an updgrade/tweak wouldn't make it better.  Of course its all marketing (whether or not they include the best cord/cable...), regardless of the price point.

And because of all the variables in a given system, what works for me may not for you...and vice versa.

If you want to have some real fun, try experimenting with outboard DACs.

  
 

I subscribed to Audiophile and Audio back in the 90's for years and used to be pretty informed on things Audio.  Could hardly afford any of the stuff reviewed, but I was informed and made good choices for the stuff I picked up along the way and learned the right questions for deciding what would serve me best for the buck.  Then came the 21st century and my interest turned to computers.  Radio in this town died a horrible death and I got a puter.  Late in 2000, I stumbled onto RP's stream and turned in this direction for listenable music and new to me music no longer available over the air.  And there was Napster.  I had a source for all the stuff I never could find or buy or was put of print.  I wanted to find a way to listen to all this stuff without burning and playing via CD.  Had 80 gigs (mostly out of print, too) via dialup before I caught the virus.

The focus then shifted to how to get this wonderful stream to play through my receiver and enjoy it as best as possible.  It was a 40' run to make things more difficult.  I also wanted figure out how to rip vinyl and get it onto the puter in some reasonable quality.  I've been making mixtapes since 8 track days and when Sony came out with minidisc, I was all yeehaw, no more cassettes.  If it wasn't for music, a computer would prolly have never been more than an email machine and word processor and knowing me, I would just have heard about an I-phone.

Trying to play back the minidisc vinyl rips or direct rips from the receiver brought me my first taste of ground loop hum.  Minidisc was my first intro to spdif / toslink and I thought ok, direct digital and no ground loop.  That is what took me to Vaio's (have 3 of them) because they had the most A/V ins and outs.  And the magical firewire.  Nobody had toslink digital inputs in puters back then either for obvious reasons.  I drove salespeople batshit crazy about cables and adapters and what the inputs and outputs everything had.  Was Laserdisc and SVHS as well.  I have a dozen milk crates full of VHS ripped from Laserdiscs.  Anyone want them ?  I used to rip radio onto the VHS Hi-Fi tapes.  Digital frequency range and quality in analog, w00t.  I even made CAT 5 RCA adapted cables.  To me, the puter was the ultimate jukebox.  That was back in 2001.  Everyone thought I was nutz.

Fast forward.  All this stuff I bought in the 80's and 90's is finally wearing out and breaking.  My Techniques SL 1700 still purrs however and I have a Dual sitting on the side just in case.  Its time to go visit Audio Technica and see what they have laying around in cartridges.  Their national headquarters is a half an hour from the house in Stow, Ohio and I bought some closeouts there years ago.  Anyone have any links for styli ?  I have a primo buss powered USB D/A (ART USB phono plus, I highly recommend this, $100) converter from turntable to puter with a variable gain and turntable ground connect, so ground loop be gone.  What's more, if your receiver has no phono input this is great.  It has available ac power and analog and toslink in and out.  Bytes are now so cheap, I rip everything into wav and keep it wav as long as possible.

What I have ultimately learned through all this.

Unless you still have vinyl or reel to reel, everything is now digital.  The goal is to keep everything digital as long as possible and avoid conversion to analog until the last moment.  Once the signal is fed into your receiver it all comes down to the inboard D/A converter and inboard amplifiers.  Keep your cable runs as short as possible.  And use the heaviest gauge of speaker wire you can afford, manufacturer is generally unimportant.  Gauge overcomes most all problems.  Every time I make another jump to keeping the signal digital through another step to the receiver, the quality improves.  Cheap digital USB and HDMI seem to work just fine in short distances so far.  Analog interface cables, quality does matter.  But that seems to be more of a reliability thing.

Since I no longer play vinyl, I only rip it and I am ripping my CD's to wav, getting a new receiver came down to a few minimum requirements to keep me happy for at least the next 10 years.  THX minimum (not because I do the AV thing, but it guarantees decent amplifier specs and D/A conversion), fully functional USB in with wav file capability and Ethernet for streaming music.  That's what I ended up with.

The next to the last thing I have to do is install Media Player 11 with is DLNA compliant for the receiver (another new thing I had to learn about) and play wav straight into the receiver.  I am hoping that the difference is as profound as when I play a CD instead of listening to the same file through the puters soundcard headphone jack to the receiver w/ radio shack ground loop adapter.  Hopefully it will sound better than the CD.  I will report back when that is accomplished.

Thanks for listening.




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