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ICE are the racist, violent, unrestrained murdering and kidnapping descendants of Nazis - whom they OPENLY ADMIRE with tattoos and slogans.
No matter the verbal judo you attempt, in a thin effort to justify their actions and say that you approve - I select to be outraged, and it's shameful that you won't, really.
I am very aware of what went down at KSU on May 4, 1970. I moved 10 miles down the road from Kent in April of 1971 and attended KSU as a student and lived in the town for a number of years in the 70's. While I arrived here after the event many of the friends I made here had first hand experience with the events and I gained a locals perspective of the events. I still live 10 miles down the road from Kent and drive by the campus roughly 3 to 4 times a month as Jr currently lives a couple of blocks off campus. I will in fact be driving down tomorrow morning driving right by the campus to pick him and take him to a Dr appointment in Akron.
What happened a Kent is in no way similar to what is happening with these deportation exercises currently underway. Do you want to compare the actions of the Ohio National Guard sent to the campus by Gov Rhodes in light of the riots and the burning down of the ROTC building to that of ICE agents as they perform their lawful duties ? The ONG deployed at KSU were kids themselves with a unclear mission and lousy chain of command who got spooked into opening fire with live rounds at the students below the high ground that the guard was occupying. There were so many things that were wrong from the beginning and during these events.
They are in no way similar. Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole with your obvious conflation of two completely different matters ? Do you want to try and compare these times of the actions underway in Viet Nam with the deportations currently underway ? Please continue. I've got all the time in the world.
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Posted:
Jan 11, 2026 - 11:42am
kurtster wrote:
The Capitol Police and ICE are both federal officers covered by the same laws and rules. The left will protest the attacks on Capitol Police during January 6 yet they encourage attacks on ICE. These groups are of equal standing as part of Federal Law enforcement. Yes, selective outrage.
ICE are the racist, violent, unrestrained murdering and kidnapping descendants of Nazis - whom they OPENLY ADMIRE with tattoos and slogans.
No matter the verbal judo you attempt, in a thin effort to justify their actions and say that you approve - I select to be outraged, and it's shameful that you won't, really.
Our country was invaded by some 20 million foreigners illegally entering during the 4 years of the prior administration.
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And you expect nothing to be done about that ?
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Do you approve of the assaults on the ICE officers ?
I expect you and the people you are allied with to make up numbers like "20 million".
I expect you to call migrants coming to our country (in many cases turning themselves in to ask for asylum) an invasion.
I expect you to justify the murder of a woman on an American street by a federal goon squad by lying about what we've now all seen with our own eyes.
And I don't approve of assaults on ICE officers, but they need to be as accountable for their own actions as the rest of us.
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Jan 11, 2026 - 11:21am
What the Fourth Amendment Means for ICE Enforcement
The Fourth Amendment protects everyone in the U.S.âcitizens and non-citizens alikeâfrom unreasonable searches and seizures. This creates strict limits on ICE authority.
ICE Cannot Enter Your Home Without a Judicial Warrant or Consent
Multiple federal courts have ruled that ICE agents violate the Fourth Amendment when they forcibly enter homes without a judicial warrant, absent recognized exceptions like emergency situations or the homeownerâs consent.
If ICE shows up at your door with only an administrative warrant, you do NOT have to let them inside.
Where You Are Matters Enormously
Your constitutional protections depend heavily on location:
Inside your home: Maximum Fourth Amendment protection. ICE needs a judicial warrant or your consent to enter.
Your yard with a locked fence: Increased expectation of privacy. ICE still needs permission or a judicial warrant.
Public sidewalk or street: Minimal privacy expectation. ICE can arrest based on probable cause alone.
Your vehicle: Some protection, but less than your home.
Public spaces (malls, airports, restaurants): No privacy expectation. ICE can make arrests with probable cause.
ICE Uses Ruses to Gain Entry
ICE agents are explicitly trained and authorized to use deception to enter homes. Common tactics include:
Pretending to be local police officers
Claiming they need to âjust take a quick look aroundâ
Asking to âcome in to talkâ
Not identifying themselves as ICE
According to ICEâs own 2005 policy memo, agents use ruses âto get inside a home or obtain information from people without revealing that they are ICE.â
How ICE Differs From Other Law Enforcement
Understanding these distinctions helps clarify ICEâs unique role:
ICE vs. Local Police
Jurisdiction: ICE enforces federal immigration law; police enforce state and local criminal laws
Authority: Most local police cannot arrest individuals solely for civil immigration violations
Constitutional constraints: Police generally need judicial warrants for home entries; ICE uses administrative warrants that donât authorize home entry
ICE vs. CBP (Customs and Border Protection)
Focus: CBP handles border security and ports of entry; ICE handles interior enforcement and investigations
Location: CBP operates at borders and international airports; ICE operates throughout the U.S. interior
ICE vs. USCIS (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services)
Function: USCIS is NOT law enforcementâit processes immigration benefits like green cards and citizenship applications
Interaction: USCIS handles paperwork and approvals; ICE handles enforcement and removal
ICE vs. FBI
Scope: FBI investigates federal crimes generally; ICE focuses on immigration and customs violations
Criminal vs. Civil: Most FBI arrests involve criminal charges; most ICE arrests involve civil immigration violations
Your Rights During an ICE Encounter
Regardless of your immigration status, you have constitutional rights:
Right to Remain Silent
You do NOT have to answer questions about your immigration status, where you were born, or how you entered the U.S. Simply state: âI am exercising my right to remain silent.â
Right to Refuse Entry Without a Judicial Warrant
If ICE comes to your home, you can ask them to slide the warrant under the door or hold it up to a window. Check whether itâs signed by a judge. If itâs an administrative warrant, you can refuse entry.
Never open the door unless you see a judicial warrant signed by a judge.
Right to an Attorney
You have the right to consult with an immigration attorney. However, unlike in criminal cases, the government does not provide free attorneys for civil immigration proceedings.
Right to Refuse Consent to Search
You can refuse to consent to searches of your home, vehicle, or belongings. Clearly state: âI do not consent to this search.â
Miranda Rights Apply to Criminal Investigations
If ICE is investigating you for criminal violations (like illegal reentry after deportation), they must read you Miranda rights before custodial interrogation.
What ICE Can and Cannot Do: Real-World Scenarios
Scenario 1: ICE Knocks on Your Door
What ICE Can Do: Knock and ask to speak with you
What ICE Cannot Do: Force entry without a judicial warrant or your consent
Your Rights: Donât open the door. Ask them to slide the warrant under the door. If itâs administrative, refuse entry.
Scenario 2: ICE Approaches You on the Street
What ICE Can Do: Question you and arrest you if they have probable cause
What ICE Cannot Do: Search your pockets or belongings without consent, probable cause, or a warrant
Your Rights: You can walk away if youâre not being detained. Ask, âAm I free to leave?â
Scenario 3: ICE Shows Up at Your Workplace
What ICE Can Do: Enter public areas like lobbies and customer-accessible spaces without permission
What ICE Cannot Do: Enter private employee areas without a judicial warrant or employer consent
Your Rights: Remain silent. Donât answer questions about your status. Request to speak with a lawyer.
Scenario 4: ICE Comes to a Hospital, School, or Church
Until recently, these âsensitive locationsâ had special protections limiting ICE enforcement. However, current policies have significantly reduced these protections, and ICE can now conduct enforcement actions at hospitals, schools, and other previously protected locations.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jan 11, 2026 - 9:41am
kurtster wrote:
Our country was invaded by some 20 million foreigners illegally entering during the 4 years of the prior administration.
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And you expect nothing to be done about that ?
.
Do you approve of the assaults on the ICE officers ?
My post spoke of the ends not justifying the means. I do not support a policy of ridding the country of all persons who entered illegally at all costs.
Not my words. This was sent to me by a friend who thought that I should see this. I will say that I pretty much agree and it is said better than I might try and do.
Charlie Kirk was peacefully exercising his free speech rights on a college campus when a sniper assassinated him in cold blood. The Left? Joked, celebrated, and called for more “accountability” against “fascists.”
A woman tries to run over an ICE agent with her car during a deportation op and gets shot in self-defense. The Left erupts: Protests, screams “murder,” chants “Kristi Noem will hang,” calls it “state-sponsored terrorism,” and demands ICE be abolished.
Same energy?
• Ashli Babbitt unarmed, shot by Capitol Police during Jan 6—Left called her a “terrorist” and the officer a hero.
• Kyle Rittenhouse defends himself against attackers—Left branded him a “murderer” and vigilante.
The pattern is clear: When violence hits conservatives, free speech, or law enforcement, it’s “justified” or ignored. When it hits their side? Outrage, protests, and calls for “justice.”
This is who they are. Selective outrage. Hypocrisy on steroids.
. The Capitol Police and ICE are both federal officers covered by the same laws and rules. The left will protest the attacks on Capitol Police during January 6 yet they encourage attacks on ICE. These groups are of equal standing as part of Federal Law enforcement. Yes, selective outrage.
Only because I wanted to try and actually know more about what happened, I dug into this for my own personal interest and to try as be informed on this as possible because this is going to twisted 10 times to Sunday and already has based on just what I seen posted here. Getting into the third google page looking specifically for information about the deceased and after reading several other articles I came on this one : Woman fatally shot by ICE agents confirmed to have Missouri ties There is so much more to this than the pictures and theory posted above that I am responding to. First off I saw mentioned somewhere that there better be a hole in the windshield from someone standing in front of the vehicle and there is. The article cited has a picture that clearly shows a bullet hole in the windshield. . Another article goes deeper and corrects the presentation of the deceased as a local concerned resident. She was anything but. SUV involved in deadly ICE shooting Wednesday in Minneapolis was registered out of KCMO . My conclusion is that the woman traveled a great distance to just be an "observer". She became a participant and used her vehicle as a weapon first to block traffic and obstruct a law enforcement operation. She was clearly out of place in a vehicle with Missouri plates. She was non compliant with legal orders and could have been noticed before and known to an officer or officers from previous operations. She backs up and then takes off full tilt at the officer in front of her. He shoots at an oncoming vehicle with good reason based upon training and the totality of the whole situation. The officer's guilt or innocence will be determined. The deceased clearly went to great lengths to insert herself into this event and harms way. She rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. She made a bad choice and it cost her her life. This would have never happened if she stayed home and minded her own business. I don't know what you open border sanctuary city people expect to happen other than no one should be deported. You welcomed all of these people while knowing that eventual removal was a possibility as soon as a repub took the White House which you thought would never happen again. Well it did and the mess you blessed is being cleaned up. You are the ones who put these immigrants in harms way by misleading them into entering the country with the assurance that they would stay forever and that their illegal entry would be overlooked and forgiven. To Hell with the laws ... mmwv
Sad. It’s like you’re justifying Kent State. Inhuman.
I would really like to know how you came to equate this incident with that of Kent State.
As things are becoming clearer, my conclusions are being proved to be reasonable.
Our country was invaded by some 20 million foreigners illegally entering during the 4 years of the prior administration. . And you expect nothing to be done about that ? . Do you approve of the assaults on the ICE officers ?
I am not intending to minimize in any way, shape, or form the loss of Renee Good, but that tragedy is the micro. The macro is that her killing â or that of someone else under somewhat varying but primarily similar circumstances â was inevitable given the mass-scale operations of ICE being conducted in our cities. They are not just targeting certain undocumented individuals who are alleged to have committed criminal acts â as we were falsely told at the outset they would be â they are desperately and erratically sweeping up as many undocumented immigrants as they can. If they were confined to pursuing certain targeted individuals, they would not need to descend upon neighborhoods like an invading army, sowing fear and, yes, loathing.
It is inevitable that these invading armies are going to draw protesters. It should be expected. Yet these ICE officers obviously are not trained in dealing with protesters and are woefully unprepared for the protests that spring up around them. They seem offended by the presence of these protesters. They react to taunts and other provocations. They lash out. Instead of deescalating tensions, they escalate them. They are powder kegs waiting to explode. And they do explode, in anger and retribution. Again, inevitable.
In a rational place and time, the tragic killing of Renee Good would result in these ICE armies being pulled from our cities, to quell the unrest and escalating violence that is occurring not only in Minneapolis. Instead, the Trump administration doubles and triples down, sending in more officers.
We are not in a rational time nor place. The ends simply cannot justify the means when the means are this frenzied and out of control. That is assuming the ends are even justified, which I firmly believe they are not. These invading armies and the tactics they employ are un-American, which means there will be â and should be â protests.
These invading armies should stand down â Now.
Sadly, that's not going to happen. If Governor Walz mobilizes his National Guard to support state and local law enforcement, we're flirting with civil war.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jan 10, 2026 - 1:43pm
I am not intending to minimize in any way, shape, or form the loss of Renee Good, but that tragedy is the micro. The macro is that her killing â or that of someone else under somewhat varying but primarily similar circumstances â was inevitable given the mass-scale operations of ICE being conducted in our cities. They are not just targeting certain undocumented individuals who are alleged to have committed criminal acts â as we were falsely told at the outset they would be â they are desperately and erratically sweeping up as many undocumented immigrants as they can. If they were confined to pursuing certain targeted individuals, they would not need to descend upon neighborhoods like an invading army, sowing fear and, yes, loathing.
It is inevitable that these invading armies are going to draw protesters. It should be expected. Yet these ICE officers obviously are not trained in dealing with protesters and are woefully unprepared for the protests that spring up around them. They seem offended by the presence of these protesters. They react to taunts and other provocations. They lash out. Instead of deescalating tensions, they escalate them. They are powder kegs waiting to explode. And they do explode, in anger and retribution. Again, inevitable.
In a rational place and time, the tragic killing of Renee Good would result in these ICE armies being pulled from our cities, to quell the unrest and escalating violence that is occurring not only in Minneapolis. Instead, the Trump administration doubles and triples down, sending in more officers.
We are not in a rational time nor place. The ends simply cannot justify the means when the means are this frenzied and out of control. That is assuming the ends are even justified, which I firmly believe they are not. These invading armies and the tactics they employ are un-American, which means there will be â and should be â protests.
