miamizsun wrote: 
i wanna be a cockatoo!  too!

 katzendogs wrote: 


Agreed - spicy, flavorful and frequently edifying

 romeotuma wrote: 
aren't we all cocktails of neuroses?

 justlistening wrote: 
I love the players on RP.I may disagree with their positions, but i have many times benefited from the knowledge they have offered. I love them all.

 katzendogs wrote: 

I respect his passion but I can't be so charitable as to call his style 'debate'.  It is 9 parts indoctrination and the remaining part is a mixture of strategic mea culpa and feigned innocence. I suspect that any points you may feel like you won are only meant as lures for bringing you closer to his line of thinking.

No offense meant either - just being honest.
 
EDIT: That said, I'm not discounting that he sometimes makes a good point.

 kurtster wrote: 
i like nuggs. he started debates that no one could end. no one was a winner. great chess player I'd bet.

 miamizsun wrote: 
You got me.  Why change ?

The message is the same.  He wasn't DD'd.  He does have a genuine pearl once in awhile in the middle of his hyperventilating.  Its like he has given up and is mocking himself.

No offense meant, nuggs ...

Just sayin' 

 miamizsun wrote: 

What better way to garner sympathizers!?

 kurtster wrote: 
nuggler has another id?

what on earth for?

 miamizsun wrote:
Yep, I agree and understand the article.  That sums up why I am willing to call Obama's bluff better than I could ever hope to articulate it.  This and Galbraith's article that I think was linked earlier by nuggs / bloodnok, makes well the case for calling bullshit to a ceiling raise.

 

 bloodnok wrote: 
If he said that, he's in the majority. Most people commonly mistake capitalism for corporatism.

Honest business person = capitalist.

Dishonest business person in bed with a corrupt politician = corporatist.

 kurtster wrote: 
We've already defaulted.

<There is traditional default whereby creditors experience a "haircut" or a delay in payments, and then there's a stealth default. Looked at in terms of stealth defaults, all those countries, including the U.S., have most definitely stiffed creditors over the years.

Reinhart and Rogoff in particular pointed to a U.S. default in the 1930s. As they wrote, "the abrogation of the gold clause in the United States in 1933, which meant that public debts would be repaid in fiat currency rather than gold, constitutes a restricting of nearly all the government's domestic debt."

In short, the U.S. defaulted in 1933, and as evidenced by the dollar's stupendous decline in value from 1/35th of an ounce of gold in 1971 (in private markets a dollar bought roughly 1/45th of an ounce of gold at the time in question) to 1/1550th today, the U.S. has been in default for most of the last 40 years.>

 kurtster wrote: 

Sieg Howdy, baby !

American Democracy The Best Form of Fascism Money Can Buy

By Larry Pinkney

"You show me a capitalist and I'll show you a bloodsucker." - Malcolm X

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted..." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ah... Here we are in the 21st century, mindlessly basking in the warm rays of de facto bloodsucking U.S. corporate domination combined with at least four ongoing bloody U.S. wars and military interventions abroad, an impotent and hypocritical Democrat and Republican Congress, and a "peace" prize toting- predator drone / torturing president whose claims to fame are his slippery tongue, his pigmentation, and his inexplicable rise from relative obscurity to be the adorned head of the U.S. corporate/military Empire. Oh...The unspeakable joys of watching the gutting of U.S. constitutional rights under the auspices of the now expanded 'Patriot Act's' so called war on terror, the trillions of dollars of blood money stolen from everyday people for the coffers of the corporate elite, and the ceaseless obfuscation and prevarication by the U.S. corporate owned, corporate-stream media and other systemic institutions. What joy! What sad and utterly pathetic joy in this year of 2011!

Today's combination of unbridled corporate hegemony and unending military adventurism is 'America's' democracy. It is the best form of fascism money can buy. That's right, fascism!

(....)

 bloodnok wrote: 
I'm kinda getting the feeling its give me the money or I wil default this country.

 romeotuma wrote: 
Things becoming a little clearer for you now, romeo o romeo....?

Rather late than never I say.

 romeotuma wrote: 
Now I'm pissed

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
And what happens if the Democrats force a default?

 Beaker wrote: 
What did you do, place?

(This might be too obscure a Woody Allen reference, but I'm using it anyway. It's from Love & Death.)

 dmax wrote: 
And us middle class just want all ya all to leave us the fuck alone!

 kurtster wrote: 
The admin just wants more war
The rich folks just want to keep what they have
The poor folks just want more handouts
The schoolteachers and police and firefighters just want more pay
The infrastructure just wants to be upgraded
The other countries just want us to send them more of our money