There's no hope for us, is there? Here's an idea...How about a mini meet-up where the usual suspects can get together and have a "Your favorite band politician/party sucks!" bitchfest? You know, blow off a little steam in actual meatspace. Maybe after one of those, people would be more civil to each other here?
Notice how everyone's arguing about each other instead of the topic. Start with something inflammatory, then attack anyone who responds.
Really? That's what we're doing tonight?
There's no hope for us, is there? Here's an idea...How about a mini meet-up where the usual suspects can get together and have a "Your favorite band politician/party sucks!" bitchfest? You know, blow off a little steam in actual meatspace. Maybe after one of those, people would be more civil to each other here?
ok, time to put it away for the night *not sure how that sounds?*...I'm beat...y'all have a goodun...maybe we can hijack another thread another time...
Er, excuse me. What exactly prompts you to say that? I'll tell you now that I am quite capable of handling blunt honesty so don't feel you have to tiptoe around me. If you keep it honest this exercise should go quite well.
Do you know that it took the Sufis two hundred years to teach the Europeans that bathing wouldn't kill them? Your first mistake was to title your thread in a politically charged manner. Even if your evidence was corroborating enough to provoke discussion, that discussion would quickly disintegrate into participants of two camps of partisans throwing poop. If you seek actual discussion of the information you provide, it is necessary to do everything possible to remove the political charge. Next, the link you provided is extremely insufficient to support your conclusion. It creates a disconnect. It confuses the reader because the reader doesn't know what to discuss. A more effective way of doing things would be to have titled your thread "Internet Censorship?" and limited your information to the link. If in fact you possess information veiled from the rest of us, you cannot expect us to buy in merely on the basis of your conviction. The appropriate strategy is to point out those instances that contradict our world view, bringing out illumination by degrees..
Er, excuse me. What exactly prompts you to say that? I'll tell you now that I am quite capable of handling blunt honesty so don't feel you have to tiptoe around me. If you keep it honest this exercise should go quite well.
Why don't we post links to the "Obama Deception" videos on YouTube? That'll make 'em howl...
A troll is someone who gets his jollies provoking the righteousness of those who take the bait. As evidenced by the passion he exudes, Nuggler is not a troll, but a frustrated missionary. Putting aside the issue of his rectitude, he lacks the advanced social acumen required for such an undertaking. He himself admits this, and has gone so far as to humble himself and request help. I don't object to Dmax's use of the stooges pictures and what followed, because at least some of that motivation was a response tothe absurd manner in which Nuggs broached the subject. But to accuse someone of being a troll is an act of dismissal. I do not pretend to be the determinant of how we choose to run Paradise, others may overrule me, but in my version of Paradise we use our mutual association to elevate the people around us. Granted, the redlining of individuals impervious to the values of community maybe necessary for the health of community, but I do not think this extends to individuals who have expressed both concern and a willingness to change. I apologize for calling you out, but its a trend I've witnessed lately. A trend that concerns me. '
Er, excuse me. What exactly prompts you to say that? I'll tell you now that I am quite capable of handling blunt honesty so don't feel you have to tiptoe around me. If you keep it honest this exercise should go quite well.
I challenge you, Lazy, to substantiate this characterization.
Well, there's the grandstanding, the posturing, the inflammatory title...and this little gem:
If you want to know 'liberalism' in the true essence of what that word really means then take a walk with me but we won't be stopping till we're way left of center.
A troll is someone who gets his jollies provoking the righteousness of those who take the bait. As evidenced by the passion he exudes, Nuggler is not a troll, but a frustrated missionary. Putting aside the issue of his rectitude, he lacks the advanced social acumen required for such an undertaking. He himself admits this, and has gone so far as to humble himself and request help. I don't object to Dmax's use of the stooges pictures and what followed, because at least some of that motivation was a response to the absurd manner in which Nuggs broached the subject. But to accuse someone of being a troll is an act of dismissal. I do not pretend to be the determinant of how we choose to run Paradise, others may overrule me, but in my version of Paradise we use our mutual association to elevate the people around us. Granted, the redlining of individuals impervious to the values of community maybe necessary for the health of community, but I do not think this extends to individuals who have expressed both concern and a willingness to change. I apologize for calling you out, but it's a trend I've witnessed lately. A trend that concerns me. '
Nuggler wrote: I had to rush off & didn't fully answer your comment. Ok, so my social skills are not up to scratch. Could be a whole lot of reasons for that. We didn't all grow up the same. But it is as it is & if you believe that that's sufficient reason to judge a person you don't even know then so be it. The fact that you choose to judge at any rate says more about you than it does me. But we'll leave it at that. The thread title seemed appropriate to me in light of the fact that I've done a lot of research in this area & esp. in light of recent massive shakeups in all our lives in the past couple of years & especially considering the source of these shakeups. What most considered conspiracy theory a few years back is now proving itself to be FACT. Now I was away for quite some time & have only been posting for maybe 3 weeks now. I post on issues that I feel very strongly about otherwise I wouldn't post. And my posts reflect my feelings. I call that HONESTY. You might call it something else. No biggie. But if you can go over the few posts I've made in these past couple of weeks & show me where I myself have degraded this wonderful place as you say, I shall delete them all. That I promise. But I am unlikely to knock off posting my observations & concerns, I will not allow myself to be censored by anyone simply because that's the way you would have it. I will stop any degrading posts though once you point them out to me. That is not the reason I post & I most certainly do not want to do that.
So please level with me Xeric, so that I can fix my faults. I thank you in advance.
With tongue tucked firmly in cheek. Yet you feel that statement warrants you calling me a trollclown...? Here's a little worldly advice. The fault is actually yours. You move through life expecting life to live up to your expectations. When it does not, something in life must be to blame. When a person does not conform to your expectations, its that person's fault. WRONG. WRONG Lazy8. The fault is yours for projecting your expectation onto another independent being & expecting them to change. What the hell kind of libertarian deal is that...? What the hell kind of controlling bullshit is that coming from a "libertarian"....? Huh ?
Now this is not me name calling. This is me merely stating a fact. You're just an old man with old ideas who wants it all his own way. That's all.
Well, no—your entire history on this site warrants calling you a trollclown.
And you seem to be just full of...advice tonight. I think I'll go find something more productive to do with my time and karma.
