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Beaker

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:45am

 black321 wrote:
Obviously, the same for gun owners


Yes.  And car owners.
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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:43am

A good thing anyone can just get their issues sorted promptly by visiting a free-of-charge mental health facility. /s
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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:43am

 Beaker wrote:


Based on direct experience and observation, I can say with certainty, that many beauticians (we call them hairstylists) need their certificates revoked.  



Obviously, the same for gun owners
Beaker

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:42am

 black321 wrote:


Investing in health care, and better education are a start...but I believe the hurdles to becoming a beautician are higher than for gun ownership. Then again, beauticians do have scissors. 


Based on direct experience and observation, I can say with certainty, that many beauticians (we call them hairstylists) need their certificates revoked.  

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:38am

 black321 wrote:


Investing in health care, and better education are a start...but I believe the hurdles to becoming a beautician are higher than for gun ownership. Then again, beauticians do have scissors

good point. har har.

(i was thinking notaries, too. just because of what i've recently had to do as far as jumping through hoops, classes, exams etc.)

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:33am

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The similarities?  They both happened in Texas?  They both happened this weekend?  Both perpetrators were wearing socks from Costco?  Anything but the guns, right? 

So you saw the pictures (of piles of dead children) and still the only thing you could think of was to post a distraction and try and make some tangential point with it?  As I said, I doubt would have any impact on you until it gets personal.

Oh, so you did a deep dive and figured out how this has nothing to do with the prevalence of guns in our society?  Was the mall a gun free zone, or did one of the proprietors post something inclusive woke on social media, thus deserving the violence perpetrated on them?  Was the shooter a member of a minority group you don't understand? Whatever, I'm sure it will be found relevant by those who share your worldview.


My newsfeed is obv much, much faster than yours, with many more details.  I make no apologies for that.  Legacy media is dead.

Ignoring the bulk of your word salad —

Here's the parallels for those that can't see them:

Car vs Gun as a tool of crime
- both require some level of training (or should be*) before you're allowed to use one
- both have a minimum age before you're allowed (or should be) to buy one
- both are used by millions of other licensed users, safely, and every single day
- both require deliberate misuse or inattention to cause harm

Yet no one calls for the banning or restricting of ownership of cars.  Oh wait, yes the climate change gang wants that.

- the reference to ban Land Rovers is of course to parallel the anti-gun zealots focus on the AR-15-type.  

* or should be - I dunno - state laws may vary.  Here in Canada, they do not.

No one here will change the mind of any anti-gun zealots.    Because zealots.  Immune to logic and reason - no different than any other extremist, be they left or right.  Doesn't mean I or anyone here is pro-gun, it's about rights as laid out in laws. 

Speaking of laws, so much of this carnage might actually be prevented if some laws were actually enforced/expanded - such as mental health supports.  There's an entire array of issues that are there re mental health, that also may impose on civil rights, but no one talks about that.  Because banning guns is so much more dramatic.

I have yet to hear an anti-gun advocate admit that criminals or those set out on destruction fully adhere to all laws regarding gun ownership, acquisition or possession.  Because, OMG, cognitive dissonance overload!

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Not my hall to monitor. If it were, you would still be banned. Still my right to call you on your BS should it become deep enough. Clutch your pearls and feign indignity all you want.

Still my right to mock your hysterics, double standards and cognitive dissonance.  Smarter folks understand that is what we call inherent bias.

You wouldn't do well on Twitter.  Your block list would be infinitely higher than your follows.  Echo chambers are like that.

But go ahead,  clutch your pearls and feign outrage all you want.  Meanwhile,  others grow, learn, and adjust their beliefs.



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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 8:18am

 Beaker wrote:
Read the thread.   There's no easy solution here, in spite of what the gun-ban happy advocates think/ bunk they're being sold.





Investing in health care, and better education are a start...but I believe the hurdles to becoming a beautician are higher than for gun ownership. Then again, beauticians do have scissors. 
islander

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 7:39am

 Beaker wrote:


OFFS.  Nice high horse you have there.  


The post was meant to make the reader think about the similarities of the comparison.  Obv you missed that.

And fyi - I have seen the uncensored pics of the shooting at the outlet mall, both of the pile of kids and the shooter - and already read the pull quotes you chose.  Obv those pics are nothing that belongs here.  And I've also read some background info on both the location and the shooter that hasn't made it here yet, though will no doubt be seen as relevant to those who choose to follow more on that particular shooting.

Happy now?  Did I meet your prerequisite, hall monitor?


The similarities?  They both happened in Texas?  They both happened this weekend?  Both perpetrators were wearing socks from Costco?  Anything but the guns, right? 

So you saw the pictures (of piles of dead children) and still the only thing you could think of was to post a distraction and try and make some tangential point with it?  As I said, I doubt would have any impact on you until it gets personal.

Oh, so you did a deep dive and figured out how this has nothing to do with the prevalence of guns in our society?  Was the mall a gun free zone, or did one of the proprietors post something inclusive woke on social media, thus deserving the violence perpetrated on them?  Was the shooter a member of a minority group you don't understand? Whatever, I'm sure it will be found relevant by those who share your worldview.

Not my hall to monitor. If it were, you would still be banned. Still my right to call you on your BS should it become deep enough. Clutch your pearls and feign indignity all you want.
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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 6:11am

 Coaxial wrote:
<span class="Y2IQFc" lang="es">No alimentes al troll.</span>



Troll necesita mejorar el pene a través de armas.

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Posted: May 8, 2023 - 5:56am

No alimentes al troll.
Beaker

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Posted: May 7, 2023 - 11:17pm

Read the thread.   There's no easy solution here, in spite of what the gun-ban happy advocates think/ bunk they're being sold.



Beaker

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Posted: May 7, 2023 - 9:36pm

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well you can put a picture up of your joke. But decorum prevents us from showing the horror of the senselessness that you defend.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/




Personally, I think you should have to look at a picture of a dead child before you post your nonsense.  Not that I think it would affect you, but maybe, just maybe  as it continues to spread you might worry about one of these tragedies impacting you personally. That's something that I'm pretty sure would motivate you to consider the horrific impacts.




OFFS.  Nice high horse you have there.  


The post was meant to make the reader think about the similarities of the comparison.  Obv you missed that.

And fyi - I have seen the uncensored pics of the shooting at the outlet mall, both of the pile of kids and the shooter - and already read the pull quotes you chose.  Obv those pics are nothing that belongs here.  And I've also read some background info on both the location and the shooter that hasn't made it here yet, though will no doubt be seen as relevant to those who choose to follow more on that particular shooting.

Happy now?  Did I meet your prerequisite, hall monitor?

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Posted: May 7, 2023 - 9:19pm

 Beaker wrote:

Ban assault Land Rovers now.  No excuse.






well you can put a picture up of your joke. But decorum prevents us from showing the horror of the senselessness that you defend.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/


Spainhouer said he also found a child, who survived while covered by his protective mother who had been killed.

"When I rolled the mother over, he came out. I asked him if he was OK and he said, 'My mom is hurt, my mom is hurt.' So rather than traumatize him, I pulled him around the corner sat him down and he was covered from head to toe...like somebody poured blood on him."

Spainhouer said what he witnessed Saturday will haunt him for the rest of his life.




Man who helped victims at Texas mall shooting: "The first girl I walked up to was crouched down covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side and she had no face."



Personally, I think you should have to look at a picture of a dead child before you post your nonsense.  Not that I think it would affect you, but maybe, just maybe  as it continues to spread you might worry about one of these tragedies impacting you personally. That's something that I'm pretty sure would motivate you to consider the horrific impacts.


Beaker

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Posted: May 7, 2023 - 10:18am

Ban assault Land Rovers now.  No excuse.




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Posted: May 6, 2023 - 7:36pm

Allen, TX
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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 3:53pm

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Some gun perspective from an American moved to the UK.    I had a lovely conversation with an English lady recently, whose loved one is a law enforcement officer.  She was describing a few events causing her concern.  It seems the criminal element has moved out of London and into other counties, and her son and other officers were confronted by men with shotguns and machetes.  At one point he had to decide whether to shoot a man or tase him and I immediately thought, "it's a machete, you have a gun."   

The British aren't used to this kind of extreme violence.    And I'm an American who is.  




Europe knows what unchecked propaganda will do. in 1984, Rush Limbaugh started as a regular talk show host on AM radio station KFBK in Sacramento, California, airing the grievances of mostly male audience left behind in the exodus of jobs overseas. The copy cats followed and Fox "News" debuted on Television, October 9, 1986.
Research, real facts and fairness gave way to slant, conservative agenda and opinion — not journalism. Inciting emotion, instead of circumspection, hatred instead of compromise, division instead of unity that  has brought us to . . .   where we are now in 2023. 

Smart move. I'm afraid chronic electile dysfunction in the U.S. will lead us peasants to slaughter.

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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 3:13pm

Some gun perspective from an American moved to the UK.    I had a lovely conversation with an English lady recently, whose loved one is a law enforcement officer.  She was describing a few events causing her concern.  It seems the criminal element has moved out of London and into other counties, and her son and other officers were confronted by men with shotguns and machetes.  At one point he had to decide whether to shoot a man or tase him and I immediately thought, "it's a machete, you have a gun."   

The British aren't used to this kind of extreme violence.    And I'm an American who is.  


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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 11:56am

 Isabeau wrote:

What kind of Gun Would Jesus Carry?



a Gun of a Son
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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 11:01am

 Isabeau wrote:
What kind of Gun Would Jesus Carry?
 
Anti-Shenaniguns
or
maybe a guitar or something?
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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 8:35am

 Isabeau wrote:

What kind of Gun Would Jesus Carry?



Oh, definitely an AR-15!
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