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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 - 12:59pm

Lighting a candle can be "spiritual."



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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 - 12:44pm

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Au contraire, but it has some relevance to an earlier "discussion" in/on this topic.

  Ah. Gotcha. Thanks - it was a pleasant hour.


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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 - 2:59am

AAAS: Out-of-body experiences are just the product of a confused mind
Out-of-body experiences are not "spiritual" phenomenon but tricks played by a confused mind, claim scientists who fooled people into thinking they inhabited the body of a virtual human.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 - 1:10am

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So I'm confused. You think this is bullshit? 

Au contraire, but it has some relevance to an earlier "discussion" in/on this topic.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 11:21pm

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So I'm confused. You think this is bullshit?

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 10:00pm



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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 11:35am

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See, I'm totally jealous. I always wanted to grow up.
 
Don't bother - it's overrated.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 11:33am

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Yep. BTW totally jealous of you. I have always wanted to be a Shaman when I grow up.{#Cheers}

 
See, I'm totally jealous. I always wanted to grow up.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 11:30am

Iraqi General Turns Down JREF Challenge, Gets Arrested for Bomb Detector Scam

Sometimes, things just work out… A couple years ago, I wrote to several authorities in Iraq offering them the JREF million-dollar prize if they could produce evidence that the ADE561 dowsing-stick actually worked.  This is the device on which American taxpayers spent over $85 million just to supply it to Iraq to protect them. It was supposed to be an explosives-detector, but it just didn’t work, having no “innards” at all – just a swiveling rod that flopped to-and-fro. None of these authorities ever responded, and I suspected it was because they were already making their own profit from fluffing up the price…

Well, Iraqi police have just arrested Major General Jihad al-Jabiri, the commander of the bomb squad and one of those who received my letter! He’s a high-ranking police official who handled the business involved in buying the ADE561 toy, which was widely used by police and soldiers at security checkpoints and was meant to be a key weapon in the defense against insurgents. Sure.

The police finally got around to wondering how a series of blasts had killed hundreds in recent years despite the use of the ADE561. Militants had gotten trucks, buses and cars packed with explosives through Baghdad’s numerous checkpoints, with no trouble – and those checkpoints had been “protected” by the fake device!

The Iraqi police said that they have documents and incriminating evidence in the explosives detector case that point directly to al-Jabiri, who would seem to have a very dim future in his homeland…  He’s charged with corruption – no stranger to Iraq, I believe. He was just doing what the boys all do.

The UK Department for Business, Innovation and Skills announced last year that it would ban exports to Iraq and Afghanistan of the ADE651 device, which is made in the UK. It’s shaped like a pistol and features a swiveling antenna meant to point at explosives. Of course, woo-woos continue to assert that the rod works, but the sound of explosions makes it hard to hear them….

The police say that al-Jabiri recommended that Iraq sign five contracts to supply security forces with the detectors for between $38,000 and $56,000 each. Jim McCormick, who makes the things in the UK, turns them out for $100 each…



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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 9:22am

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Me, I am in total awe of plumbers. Without them we wold be up to pour ankles in shit.
 
Actually today I could use that skill too, I have a garbage disposal I need to install!{#Lol}
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 9:15am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Yep. BTW totally jealous of you. I have always wanted to be a Shaman when I grow up.{#Cheers}

 
Me, I am in total awe of plumbers. Without them we would be up to our ankles in shit.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 9:14am

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  I absolutely agree 100%. As well, we need the continued awakening of the sciences  – without the pseudo-sciencism ascribed to by the fundamentalists – to help us apprehend the world of physical existence.
 
Yep. BTW totally jealous of you. I have always wanted to be a Shaman when I grow up.{#Cheers}
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 9:06am

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Oh yes, I agree. Although you would have to agree that even Shaman have not figured it all out yet and there is still vast potential to be tapped.
{#Notworthy}   I absolutely agree 100%. As well, we need the continued awakening of the sciences  – without the pseudo-sciencism ascribed to by the fundamentalists – to help us apprehend the world of physical existence.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 8:54am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Oh yes, I agree. Although you would have to agree that even Shaman have not figured it all out yet and there is still vast potential to be tapped.


 
{#Yes} Science is still young.
Think how much people thought they knew when they still thought the world was flat.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 8:52am

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 sirdroseph wrote:

The power of the mind is far greater than anything science can come up with.{#Yes}  Now, if we could just tap, control and fully realize it to our advantage, then we would be on to something!
We – humanity – have been doing so for untold millenia. It is called Shamanism, or the local variant depending on culture.

 
Oh yes, I agree. Although you would have to agree that even Shaman have not figured it all out yet and there is still vast potential to be tapped.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 8:47am

 sirdroseph wrote:

The power of the mind is far greater than anything science can come up with.{#Yes}  Now, if we could just tap, control and fully realize it to our advantage, then we would be on to something!
We – humanity – have been doing so for untold millenia. It is called Shamanism, or the local variant depending on culture.


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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 8:45am

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Negative experiences can stop painkillers working

A patient's belief that a drug will not work can become a self fulfilling prophecy, according to researchers.

They showed the benefits of painkillers could be boosted or completely wiped out by manipulating expectations.

The study, published in Science Translational Medicine, also identifies the regions of the brain which are affected.

More...

This places the reliability of such medications right up there with homeopathy, eh?

 
The power of the mind is far greater than anything science can come up with.{#Yes}  Now, if we could just tap, control and fully realize it to our advantage, then we would be on to something!

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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 - 8:35am

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Chickening out already. {#Mrgreen} It should be rather obvious that the study does not mean that "the reliability of such medications (is) right up there with homeopathy."

Placebo/nocebo effects are not new, and attitude matters, to some degree.

Glad to see you admitting your posture.
{#Nyah}

{#Lol}
 


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Posted: Feb 18, 2011 - 9:34pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
You are, as usual, barking up the wrong tree with prejudiced beliefs. My reference to homeopathy was not an oblique one, but very direct. I have personally never found any substance to homeopathy. My comparison was not equivocal. Nor has my stance ever been anti-science. Anti-bullshit in regards of the arrogance of self-appointed arbiters of 'truth' by members of the scientific community, yes. The equivalent of tinfoil hats (what would they be... brown-stripe free undies?) are common amongst such delusional people. Poking the ribs of such is a minor enjoyment of mine. Carry on. 

Chickening out already. {#Mrgreen} It should be rather obvious that the study does not mean that "the reliability of such medications (is) right up there with homeopathy."

Placebo/nocebo effects are not new, and attitude matters, to some degree.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2011 - 9:12pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
 jadewahoo wrote:
Negative experiences can stop painkillers working
(...) This places the reliability of such medications right up there with homeopathy, eh?
 
Hardly, but feel free to be an anti-science hero and do a similar test as people did with the homeopathic sugar. Eat/inject a whole box/ampoule of it, while believing really hard that it won't have an effect on you. I'm eagerly awaiting your results... {#Mrgreen}

Of course, you'll need some reliable witnesses...
You are, as usual, barking up the wrong tree with prejudiced beliefs. My reference to homeopathy was not an oblique one, but very direct. I have personally never found any substance to homeopathy. My comparison was not equivocal. Nor has my stance ever been anti-science. Anti-bullshit in regards of the arrogance of self-appointed arbiters of 'truth' by members of the scientific community, yes. The equivalent of tinfoil hats (what would they be... brown-stripe free undies?) are common amongst such delusional people. Poking the ribs of such is a minor enjoyment of mine. Carry on.


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