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Jethro Tull — Mother Goose
Album: Aqualung
Avg rating:
7.6

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Total ratings: 1974









Released: 1971
Length: 3:47
Plays (last 30 days): 1
As I did walk by Hampstead Fair,
I came upon Mother Goose,
So I turned her loose--
She was screaming.
And a foreign student said to me
Was it really true
There are elephants, lions too,
Piccadilly Circus?

Walked down by the bathing pond
To try and catch some sun.
Saw at least a hundred school girls
Sobbing into handkerchiefs as one.
I don't believe they knew
I was a schoolboy.

And a bearded lady said to me
If you start your raving
And your misbehaving,
You'll be sorry.
And the chicken fancier came to play
With his long red beard,
And his sister's weird--
She drives a lorry.

Laughed down by the putting green,
I popped 'em in their holes.
Four and twenty labourers were labouring
And digging up their gold.
I don't believe they knew
That I was Long John Silver.

Saw Johnny Scarecrow make his rounds
In his jet black mac
Which he won't give back--
Stole it from a snowman.
As I did walk by Hampstead Fair,
I came upon Mother Goose,
So I turned her loose--
She was screaming.

Walked down by the bathing pond
To try and catch some sun.
Must have been least a hundred school girls
Sobbing into handkerchiefs as one.
I don't believe they knew
I was a schoolboy.
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C’mon. I keep saying I’m going to sleep after this song.
And something like comes up.
I can’t stop listening now.
You’re keeping me up too late.
And now another great song by The Smile.
Sheesh.
Sleepily yours.
Thank you RP crew.
 aelfheld wrote:

Like Bungle in the Jungle?


I don't understand why IA would say such a thing! Many though, are poor critics of their "works". Personally, I think Aqualung was one of their better albums! 

 renegade_X wrote:

Proof that flutes and Rock & Roll just do not mix. LOL

Perhaps it's YOU & flutes or, YOU & R&R, that don't mix! I've not heard a better flute player in ANY genre, that even comes close to Ian Anderson!! 

Can't say I recall hearing this cut in the rotation! I may have missed it as, I "bounce" between channels! Really good tune though! I don't know of any musicians that can compare with Ian on flute! Was glad to hear him as a solo gig! His musicianship, with the band members he chose, with their unique style, IMHO, are 2nd to none! Thanks, Bill and crew, for expanding the rotation with some of JT's better cuts! LLRP!!! 
I love that album and my sons (30 somethings) hate it and won't let me play when they are around.  Very curious - most of the time we like similar stuff.
Thank you so much RP! Time was Aqualung, Europe '72 and Allman Bros. Fillmore East were in constant play at home on my parents 100 watt Magnavox console stereo. Hitting the fifty year mark now. 
Proof that flutes and Rock & Roll just do not mix. LOL
 ray_killeen wrote:

First concert I went to in high school:
Date: October 23, 1975
Venue: Kirby Field House, Lafayette College
Location: Easton, Pennsylvania, United States
Set List:
"Thick as a Brick"
"Minstrel in the Gallery"
"Wond'ring Aloud"
"To Cry You a Song"
"A New Day Yesterday"
"Skating Away on the Thin Ice of the New Day"
"Ladies"
"Drum Solo"
"War Child"
"War Child Suite"Quartet"
"Reasons for Waiting"
"Cross-Eyed Mary"
"Bungle in the Jungle"
"Aqualung"
"Guitar Solo"
"Wind-Up"
"Back-Door Angels"
"Locomotive Breath"
"Hard-Headed English General"
"Back-Door Angels (reprise)"



Well, that's a pretty solid setlist to say the least.
High point of civilization.
I just love how much Tull we get on RP! 
First concert I went to in high school:
Date: October 23, 1975
Venue: Kirby Field House, Lafayette College
Location: Easton, Pennsylvania, United States
Set List:
"Thick as a Brick"
"Minstrel in the Gallery"
"Wond'ring Aloud"
"To Cry You a Song"
"A New Day Yesterday"
"Skating Away on the Thin Ice of the New Day"
"Ladies"
"Drum Solo"
"War Child"
"War Child Suite"Quartet"
"Reasons for Waiting"
"Cross-Eyed Mary"
"Bungle in the Jungle"
"Aqualung"
"Guitar Solo"
"Wind-Up"
"Back-Door Angels"
"Locomotive Breath"
"Hard-Headed English General"
"Back-Door Angels (reprise)"
When I was very young my father took the family to London for the weekend, and on the first evening he said "get in the car - we're going to Piccadilly Circus".  Imagine how I felt, aged 8 or 9, to have my first sight of a famous roundabout.
Great guitar work, shame about the lyrics.
 govna wrote:

i just screamed "FUCK YEAH" in the office.


I hope you were wearing pants.
 Bosami wrote:


The great and powerful napkin made out of paper has thus spoken. And here I thought you were only good for making sure I didn't get ketchup on my pants.

Now I will go ponder the insight you have so graciously provided. Perhaps you can join me - I'm bound to have some frito crumbs you could take care of.



I wonder what he/she does with that napkin?
 aelfheld wrote:

Like Bungle in the Jungle?
 

Well, that's all right by me.
Newly enthralled by Jethro Tull, having willfully and strongly ignored them for decades since my brothers would play the band beyond 11, the same songs/LP over and over again. Then tore down my Rod Stewart posters, but that's another story for another time. 
I want to rate this a 10, but I can't. My wife *hates* Jethro Tull, so I can't rate their songs otherwise they come up on my playlist too much :).
 ecojot wrote:
I watched an interview with Ian Anderson where he said that he didn't think Aqualung was a very creative album. He said that Tull wrote much more interesting music after this.
 
Like Bungle in the Jungle?


I watched an interview with Ian Anderson where he said that he didn't think Aqualung was a very creative album. He said that Tull wrote much more interesting music after this.
Wonderful,
part of my youth for sure
Dove more deeply into Aqualung in high school and discovered gems like this.
I even read Cheap Day Return out loud in Creative Writing class I was so proud I had discovered it.
I'm sorry if you can't appreciate the beauty that Ian and his wife created. 

 Proclivities wrote:
        Sorry, I know people love this tune, but...

 
U got that right - it's a godlike 10 all day long in my book.. {#Cheers}


 Proclivities wrote:
Dreadful, stilted, pretentious, dinosaur, quasi-rock - but this is one of the finest examples of it - so bonus points for nostalgia.  Codpieces for everyone!  Don't forget to tip your local tallowchandler.
Sorry, I know people love this tune, but...

 
stilted
adjective  /ˈstɪl·tɪd/

(of behavior, speech, or writing) too formal and not smooth or natural: Legal language tends to be very stilted.

Really? I don't think so about this tune, nor do your other misplaced adjectives fit here. Makes me wonder whether some of you know the meaning of some of the words you're using in an effort to sound credible and/or intelligent.

Everybody in my church loves this song...
 
Dreadful, stilted, pretentious, dinosaur, quasi-rock - but this is one of the finest examples of it - so bonus points for nostalgia.  Codpieces for everyone!  Don't forget to tip your local tallowchandler.
Sorry, I know people love this tune, but...
 Blastcat900 wrote:
HA HA HA HA Jethro Tull.. I kinda hate him because he is not just a great rock flute player  ( i only try to imitate) but wow, what a voice and sick lyrics. Ive listened to that too often, but its great on a radio station. Thanks RP.. you ROCK.
 

This whole album takes me back to 1971 when in high school Bible class we study Aqualung. How about some Locomotive Breath Bill?
 
she drives a lorry
hmm
HA HA HA HA Jethro Tull.. I kinda hate him because he is not just a great rock flute player  ( i only try to imitate) but wow, what a voice and sick lyrics. Ive listened to that too often, but its great on a radio station. Thanks RP.. you ROCK.

( I hate to be such a smarmy fan of the TULL)
 Propayne wrote:
I read the Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree fame is giving Aqualung the 'ol 5.1 treatment.

Looking forward to that! 
 
Bought it a couple weeks ago, amazing compared to the original.  A real difference. 
 Misterfixit wrote:
Bloody Wonderful!  And I've always loved the picture of my grandfather on the album cover.

 
{#Lol}  This is one of my favourite songs on this superb album.  It never fails to make me happy!


Bloody Wonderful!  And I've always loved the picture of my grandfather on the album cover.

Irony at it's finest........6
I read the Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree fame is giving Aqualung the 'ol 5.1 treatment.

Looking forward to that! 
 govna wrote:
i just screamed "FUCK YEAH" in the office.
 
I understand.
 something about tull during this period just makes me smile in me ol age

i just screamed "FUCK YEAH" in the office.
 spigolli wrote:

It's no Cross-Eyed Mary, but it's certainly worthy of a spot on that great album.

 
No, it isn't!  It's even better!  One of my alltime favourite Tull songs off one of their best albums.

this is muckin brilliant :)
No wonder we wore the grooves out on this one
 helgigermany wrote:
whole album= exellent!
 
Indeed, and they're taking the album on tour this summer.  I'm gonna see 'em do it!

Jethro Tull / Ian Anderson is such a second-round surprise. Been listening for years, but picked up the "Best of Acoustic Jethro Tull" a few years ago, and the whole collection is growing on me in a serious way. 

Saw him live in SF a year or so ago, though, and Ian's current personality didn't much work for me, kinda embarrassing in his treatment of, well, pretty much everyone. His band didn't look like they were having a good time, either. 
whole album= exellent!
fabulous paradise - no-one can match aqualung today, nope, no-one {#Roflol}
I am really starting to like this band.  I used to be under the impression that this was just another heavy metal band not worth checking out.
My favorite song from Aqualung.  I've tried desperately to play it on the guitar.  Was pretty close for a while
 romeotuma wrote:


Yes, this is a great song...


 
yeah but how good is it for the ears?  i need to count the o's.

Papernapkin wrote:
An insult to rock and roll.
What is rock and roll without insult?

This is music to my ears! Duh!
This is the first album I ever bought!  Learned to play my flute along with this, just like my big sister!  Ahhh the memories.  I love this song!
 Always great to hear Tull on the Radio, great way to start lunch here in overcast Rickmansworth NW London. 
 Papernapkin wrote:
An insult to rock and roll.
 
Give a few (or more) reasons as to why please.


 calypsus_1 wrote:

Typical Jethro tull by ~Kissa21
©2007-2010 ~Kissa21

Jethro tullin jäsenet ovat ihan normaalin näkösiä.
 
Thats exactly, the Look of that time! Nice!

Saw them live in '71 when they were promoting this LP. Great concert and great tunes....{#Music}
 Papernapkin wrote:
An insult to rock and roll.
 

The great and powerful napkin made out of paper has thus spoken. And here I thought you were only good for making sure I didn't get ketchup on my pants.

Now I will go ponder the insight you have so graciously provided. Perhaps you can join me - I'm bound to have some frito crumbs you could take care of.
Brings me back to elementary school. One of my favorite pre-high school albums.
Bill, you can play as much Tull as you like...the more the better.  {#Music}
An insult to rock and roll.
I'm having high school flashbacks

Typical Jethro tull by ~Kissa21
©2007-2010 ~Kissa21

Jethro tullin jäsenet ovat ihan normaalin näkösiä.


 Walrus_Gumbo wrote:

Alas, the lowly 8 Track. A medium predestined to oblivion! One reel which wound back on itself. Guaranteed to "F" up! I can't believe it ever got standardized!!! Yes, I remember the fade out...CLICK...to another track and fade back in or long moments of silence till the beginning of another track. It was state-of-the-art back then! The I-Pod generation would never understand.
 
And the Chrysalis (the label Tull was on) 8 tracks all had those bright apple green cases.

Back in the '70s you'd see those things with the tape hanging out, littering the side of the road where people would toss them out of their car windows in disgust!

Ahhh, good times.... 
One of my favorite Tull tunes.
 Bosami wrote:
Simply. Awesome.
 
It's no Cross-Eyed Mary, but it's certainly worthy of a spot on that great album.

Simply. Awesome.
I was in high school (British-type boarding school to be precise) when this was released. Loved it then. Love it now. It's 9, and I don't think it's just nostalgia.

Check out Ian Anderson on youtube if you want to do a bit of time traveling.

And to bring you back to today, check out Greg Patillo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNG9gSJKbAo . Awesome! He's the new incarnation of Mr.Anderson.
 vit wrote:
Anyone for tennis?
 

What a splendid idea!
rascal420 wrote:
I had this on an 8-track. Funny thing about 8-tracks, when each track was up, it just faded out and changed tracks. Right in the middle of a song. Fade back in and keep on rockin'.

Alas, the lowly 8 Track. A medium predestined to oblivion! One reel which wound back on itself. Guaranteed to "F" up! I can't believe it ever got standardized!!! Yes, I remember the fade out...CLICK...to another track and fade back in or long moments of silence till the beginning of another track. It was state-of-the-art back then! The I-Pod generation would never understand.

 Panama_Floyd wrote:
Perhaps it's just my age, but I didn't realize I'd missed this tune so much until I heard it tonight.

As I did walk by Hampstead Fair
I came upon Mother Goose — so I turned her loose —
she was screaming.
And a foreign student said to me —
was it really true there are elephants and lions too
in Piccadilly Circus?

Walked down by the bathing pond
to try and catch some sun.
Saw at least a hundred schoolgirls sobbing
into hankerchiefs as one.
I don't believe they knew
I was a schoolboy.

And a bearded lady said to me —
if you start your raving and your misbehaving —
you'll be sorry.
Then the chicken-fancier came to play —
with his long red beard (and his sister's weird:
she drives a lorry).

Laughed down by the putting green —
I popped `em in their holes.
Four and twenty labourers were labouring —
digging up their gold.
I don't believe they knew
that I was Long John Silver.

Saw Johnny Scarecrow make his rounds
in his jet-black mac (which he won't give back) —
stole it from a snow man.

-Ian Anderson, 1970
 
Very nice! Thanks!

 jedley wrote:
I saw Jethro Tull open for The Who in 1982 and remember thinking they were both washed up because they hadn't done anything important in 5 years or so. Are we all that stupid when we're 21, or was it just me?
 
Not just you. I remember thinking Roy Orbison wasn't fit to open for the Eagles, back in '79. Oy, youth. {#Rolleyes}
still sounds great and oh, the memories.
Anyone for tennis?
 romeotuma wrote:


This song is so good for the ears...
 
...i like how you roll.

Panama_Floyd, coloradojohn, CatSitter, Jameshanny, nigelr and others ya'all sound like my dad's friends...and that's a very good thing. My dad has impeccable musical taste. Cheers to you for loving this. I think it's just fantastic too!

Enchanting.
From the distant, misty halls of my adolescence.
Very nice to hear this this morning.
 jedley wrote:
I saw Jethro Tull open for The Who in 1982 and remember thinking they were both washed up because they hadn't done anything important in 5 years or so. Are we all that stupid when we're 21, or was it just me?
 
Stupid runs pretty deep at 21 and the club has lots of members. Sign me up!

I saw Jethro Tull open for The Who in 1982 and remember thinking they were both washed up because they hadn't done anything important in 5 years or so. Are we all that stupid when we're 21, or was it just me?
 romeotuma wrote:


I just turned this up very loud...  this song is exquisite...
 
Yes, yes!  I hadn't heard this in years . . . wonderful!  Thanks, Bill!

Perhaps it's just my age, but I didn't realize I'd missed this tune so much until I heard it tonight.

As I did walk by Hampstead Fair
I came upon Mother Goose — so I turned her loose —
she was screaming.
And a foreign student said to me —
was it really true there are elephants and lions too
in Piccadilly Circus?

Walked down by the bathing pond
to try and catch some sun.
Saw at least a hundred schoolgirls sobbing
into hankerchiefs as one.
I don't believe they knew
I was a schoolboy.

And a bearded lady said to me —
if you start your raving and your misbehaving —
you'll be sorry.
Then the chicken-fancier came to play —
with his long red beard (and his sister's weird:
she drives a lorry).

Laughed down by the putting green —
I popped `em in their holes.
Four and twenty labourers were labouring —
digging up their gold.
I don't believe they knew
that I was Long John Silver.

Saw Johnny Scarecrow make his rounds
in his jet-black mac (which he won't give back) —
stole it from a snow man.

-Ian Anderson, 1970
I can instantly and totally recall reporting for duty in front of Dad's Marantz and the Garrard 'magnetic cartridge' turntable and dropping the stylus onto this on typical mornings before sliding into my Cutlass and cruising up along Blue Ridge Boulevard to sort of attend High School (my mind was like just floating in the breeze man) back in '77, '78, '79, and it struck me then and it still strikes me now that this is just one of the slyest, wildest tunes ever tossed out there...yes yes it just makes me grin, again and again...makes me want to hear Van Morrison's take on Good Mornin' Li'l Schoolgirl right about now, too...

Awesome, awesome tune.
My favorite mother goose tune. :)
Not used to this kind of music.. but I must say it's falling easily in, right now. Very interresting :) Nice cover!
Might be showing my age but always loved this album. Jethro Tull had a unique sound, musically and lyrically, which instantly attracted me. Plus, catch one glimpse of Ian Anderson performing and how could you not be entertained!
Hordern Pavilion, Sydney, Aust . . . back in the days when legends were made, what a night. bring it on Tull!
Jethro Tull's Aqualung was one of my first loved albums. The song Wonderin Aloud was a theme song for me that I associated with a blond beauty I absolutely thought was a Goddess, and fantisized about incessantly at Ritenour Jr High, St. Louis, in 1975. 30 years later when I listen to that album I still get that viceral-butterfly tingling that I felt about the blond goddess in 1975. Yeah, those were the days when many British rock musicians had classical training, some members of J.Tull and YES for example. Aqualung is Tull's Hallmark Classic. As we would say in St. Louis (and probably nowhere else): "Really Cock Album Man!!" I still dig that album. JH Tampa, FLA.
As a furtive 14yo in Sydney Australia, circa 1970, listening to a pocket transister radio hidden under my pillow. Monday nights 8 till 9pm a program called "Room to Move" was aired on the ABC, hosted by Chris Winter. Aqualung was one of the gems I was exposed to, along with Court of the Crimson King, Dinosaur Swamps, artists like Louden Wainright III, Uriah Heap, Gentle Giant, stuff you would never hear on the commercial radio stations in a million years. Room to Move later evolved into 2 Double J, and on to Triple J FM, still the premier rock radio station in Australia. Thanks for the memories Chris and the great music you played! At 15 saw Tull live, just prior to the release of TAAB. Just a flabergasting performance! Couple years later they were the first overseas act to play the Sydney Opera House, about the time of Warchild. Sensational! Still love my Tull!
I once, long ago, on planet far, far, away, (New Orleans) worked for a bicycle shop. We were cleaning out the upper floors of the building for office space and storage and found an original reel to reel of this. We all agreed that it was cool but I have no idea what became of it. No Ebay back then (Internet? What's that?) so I doubt it got sold.
Phonedave wrote:
Quite cool. I must have seen them just before or after you. Being just up the coast and having seen them in 87' as well :) -dave
My first concert was Jefferson Airplane and Iron Butterfly in May of 1967. Iron Butterfly played 'Innagaddadavida' and Jefferson Airplane played 'White Rabbit' and 'Somebody to Love'. How cool is that! I saw Tull for the first time @ "Pirate's World" in so. Florida in 1971. The were debuting Aqualung. How f'ing cool is that!!!
Wow, that took me back in the time machine. Saw JT in '76 - was simply blown away, one of the top shows I've seen and yes, Ian can really play that flute and oh, BTW, did you also know he could throw and twirl that flute like a mad twisted dervish! Pretty incredible.
RP has rekindled my interest in Jethro Tull. I've been listening to a lot of their music that I had not heard in quite a long time. I had forgotten how good they were.
indigo_xia wrote:
These guys were my first concert in 1987 or so. How cool is that?!?
Quite cool. I must have seen them just before or after you. Being just up the coast and having seen them in 87' as well :) -dave
ChrisInCT wrote:
Jethro can really play it too. I saw him in a really intimate venue a couple of years back....wow!
And by Jethro of course you are referring to musical stylings of Ian Anderson (click here)
LizDeines wrote:
Jethro Tull is why I took flute lessons during my school years. Oh how I wanted to play like Jethro!
Jethro can really play it too. I saw him in a really intimate venue a couple of years back....wow!
LizDeines wrote:
Jethro Tull is why I took flute lessons during my school years. Oh how I wanted to play like Jethro!
Like Ian, actually. I think Jethro was on the Beverly Hillbillies.
Hannio wrote:
I loved JT up until Thick as a Brick. Couldn't take it then, can't take it now.
I love thick as a brick. Love this album
marlenacb wrote:
A Tull song I can listen to without hitting the mute button. Thank God it's not JT's neverending 'thick as a brick.' couldn't take that today.
I loved JT up until Thick as a Brick. Couldn't take it then, can't take it now.
Jethro Tull is why I took flute lessons during my school years. Oh how I wanted to play like Jethro!
I was 17, and this was all I lived for. Tull was my obessional adolescent musical fixture. Turns out to be timeless music of incomparable quality. Ah, to have come of age in that time. My great fortune.
TheJestress wrote:
my dad is so convinced this is wonderful stuff. im not so convinced. is it because my dad listens to it? or is it because he's mildly delusional? i lurve you dad
I think your pops knows whats up.
takes me back to 7th grade art class...
A Tull song I can listen to without hitting the mute button. Thank God it's not JT's neverending 'thick as a brick.' couldn't take that today.
StevenQ wrote:
Did I ever tell you about the time in 1969 I saw Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin and Savoy Brown at the Kinetic Playground in Chicago (same bill)? I think it cost $12 to get in.
You can't even pay $12 to see documentary footage of that concert nowadays. I've given up on attending a lot of live performances because the ticket prices are so inflated. Don't even get me started on wondering whether or not the money you pay will actually get you a live performance.
artmarcia wrote:
LOVE Jethro Tull! Rediscovering this old band was the beginning of my musical renaissance which led me to RP.
Yes GREATLY appreciated!
Did I ever tell you about the time in 1969 I saw Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin and Savoy Brown at the Kinetic Playground in Chicago (same bill)? I think it cost $12 to get in.
It's 60's/70's stuff. I think you really had to be there. This music youthens me by 35 yrs. Your body gets older, but your soul remains the same. TheJestress wrote:
my dad is so convinced this is wonderful stuff. im not so convinced. is it because my dad listens to it? or is it because he's mildly delusional? i lurve you dad
LOVE Jethro Tull! Rediscovering this old band was the beginning of my musical renaissance which led me to RP.
Old JT kicks Ass...!! Wish I could get it at iTunes.....
my dad is so convinced this is wonderful stuff. im not so convinced. is it because my dad listens to it? or is it because he's mildly delusional? i lurve you dad
JT's best album-though I cringe to think of how as I high school intellectual I dissected and quoted this album. The album has aged better than my teen age postering! Just re-read my post. I may no longer be a pseudo intellectual, but I'm still a pseudo typist.
drtjdel wrote:
Whenever I hear any Ian Anderson, I'm sad to say,I'll have this image of Ron Burgundy's jazz flute solo. Damn that movie! BTW this was the second LP I bought, after Machine Head, circa 1975.
I am laughing so hard, tears are streaming down my face...
Mari wrote:
...Mother Goose layed a Golden Egg and from it hatched a Golden Sound and the Sound was called Aqualung and it is with us to this day and played on Radio Paradise to make our day a Golden Day of Joy and Peace and Play Fullness ... ...Support RP! ...
Holy Cow!!
Whenever I hear any Ian Anderson, I'm sad to say,I'll have this image of Ron Burgundy's jazz flute solo. Damn that movie! BTW this was the second LP I bought, after Machine Head, circa 1975.
Golden ditty from my youth. Thank you.
That is the best laugh I have had today. Now that WAS funny. thewiseking wrote:
dont date yourself wise king, you were in 2dgrade when this one came out, not a teen at all
There may be some "cheesy flutes" in rock, but Ian Anderson's is decidedly not one. On the bright side, your claim to the throne of ignorami remains unchallenged. webslinger48 wrote:
This sounds like music that a jester would play to a king's court during the renaissance period, thanks to that cheesy flute. Guess I had to be there to appreciate it.
healyf52 wrote:
Try "Minstel In the Gallery" or "Songs From the Wood" both excellent albums.
I'll second that. "Songs" I particularly like.
This sounds like music that a jester would play to a king's court during the renaissance period, thanks to that cheesy flute. Guess I had to be there to appreciate it.
tomcool wrote:
It was a Grammy: the first Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, in 1989, for "Crest of a Knave", beating out Metallica's "And Justice for All." The next year, separate Grammys for Hard Rock and Heavy Metal were introduced.
What I found amusing about the Grammy uproar was that Anderson et al found it amusing and recognized the absurdity of it; Hetfield et al got their collective knickers in a knot and seemed to blame JT for this "injustice for them"'. What a bunch of dweebs.