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This is sounding even better on subsequent listens. Perhaps I should finally get around to watching the film?
I love places like the Argentinian part of Tierra del Fuego. I highly recommend it along with Los Torres del Paine and more. If you like spectacular mountains, mountain glacier and rugged fjord views.
Just be warned that the weather in that region and in particular along the Atlantic coast of Tierra del Fuego can be a little rough. Un pocito....
Such a beautiful song. And I do highly recommend watching The Motorcycle Diaries. A truly fantastic story which ended up changing his values.
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I love places like the Argentinian part of Tierra del Fuego. I highly recommend it along with Los Torres del Paine and more. If you like spectacular mountains, mountain glacier and rugged fjord views.
Just be warned that the weather in that region and in particular along the Atlantic coast of Tierra del Fuego can be a little rough. Un pocito....
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This composition has some of the most exquisite and poignant combinations of instruments of antiquity and modernity. Thank you, Gustavo. Time to watch and listen to this movie again. And reread the book.
edit: I've seen the film now and it all makes sense...
Having been to Punta Arenas, but not Ushuaia, every day I feel like that. Instead, I piddle around on the bike in the hundreds of clicks instead of the 10 thousand that would be needed.
Moral: do it while you can, before you think of all the reasons why you shouldn't.
The good news: I'm not dead yet, so there's still hope.
And now, back to the music.
Been to P.A. dozen times or so my way to and from the Antarctic. Great town, although a little chilly at times. My favorite memory is an orange colored restaurant that serves an amazing Chilean favorite called Chupa de Centolla. Their Conger Eel was pretty good as well. Never made it to Ushuaia either, too much to see in this world.
"Motorcycle Diaries"
Having been to Punta Arenas, but not Ushuaia, every day I feel like that. Instead, I piddle around on the bike in the hundreds of clicks instead of the 10 thousand that would be needed.
Moral: do it while you can, before you think of all the reasons why you shouldn't.
The good news: I'm not dead yet, so there's still hope.
And now, back to the music.
Well said my friend, well said. "...before you think of all the reasons you shouldn't..."
That probably explains why all my epic motorcycle trips were taken when I was young and had minimal adult responsibilities.
Zamfir called...
Indeed!
Having been to Punta Arenas, but not Ushuaia, every day I feel like that. Instead, I piddle around on the bike in the hundreds of clicks instead of the 10 thousand that would be needed.
Moral: do it while you can, before you think of all the reasons why you shouldn't.
The good news: I'm not dead yet, so there's still hope.
And now, back to the music.
I'm not sure if any songs are meant to be listened to repeatedly.
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As in kitty hitty?
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Exactly how I feel. Wonderful song.
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Such an awesome song...10+
And this is a good thing? Never heard of "hitty."
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I wish all of you "MERRY CHRISTMAS",
wherever you are - whoever you wanna be!
Christmas is a sweet-naive tradition -
not a religious event!
I like it anyway!
Still - I hope Bill takes the chance
to rock the christmas-tree to pieces tonight!
"Happy Christmas
your "BAD SANTA",
aka STINGRAY
-from Cologne/Germany-
PS
Sermon of the day (promise: I'm serious):
The "Three Wise Men" - Melchior, Balthasar + Caspar
are buried in a golden sarcophage in"our" dome, the famous
"Cologne dome" - the third highest church-building
in the world - right in the very centre of town, next to the Rhine.
A gothic building of extra-class!
Have a look:
https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Koelner_Dom_bei_Nacht_1_RB.JPG&filetimestamp=20060517174554
The "grave" for the non-believers:
https://www.koelner-dom.de/17450.html?&L=1
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_of_the_Three_Kings
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Yes, it is, good ear...
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The problem is that extreme capitalism is just as corrupt as extreme communism. Look at where we are today in the capitalist west - big corporations don't care at all about society, and libertarians only care about themselves. It's just the same (in reverse) as a communist state where everything is done in the name of society, no-one has any freedom and making money is considered to be evil.
I get so frustrated that people can't see the irony in the battle between left-wing and right-wing politics - they're both just as screwed up. The only way to a happy society (and hence to happy people) is for all of us to see that the right balance is, as always, somewhere in the middle, ie where the health of society is seen as important but concern for this doesn't dominate people's freedom. You have to be prepared to sacrifice some freedoms for its health, but it all has to be within bounds.
Follow Ayn Rand and all hope is lost, just as much as if you follow Marx!
Oh, and it really doesn't help anyone to drag us back to WWI and before - all countries and governments have things they should be ashamed of, but we really need to focus on the present right now...
Reasonable arguments will get you nowhere, I hope you understand.
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So is the movie. (And you don't have to be a supporter of the Cuban Revolution in order to like it.)
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So is the movie. (And you don't have to be a supporter of the Cuban Revolution in order to like it.)
Gustavo Santaolalla - De Ushuaia a La Quiaca
Tom Baxter - A Night Like This
Spoon - Got Nuffin
Tom Petty - The Golden Rose
I get so frustrated that people can't see the irony in the battle between left-wing and right-wing politics - they're both just as screwed up.
I do and I am sure I am not the only one - vision in politics is lacking, but more than that we are stuck in bad habits. I'm confident, we'll adapt and eventually change.
Imperialism? Well, (cough) ladies and gentlemen, this began a long way before there were Americans or Brits, even before Romans or Greeks, or Chinese, like may be 200 000 years ago, around the time the first Homo Sapiens began to spread. Did you read this book by Lewis Evolution Man: Or, How I Ate My Father ? A fight between left and right in the prehistorical times. Hilarious.
As for this song, very nice indeed...
Ha! A Brit lecturing America about meddling in Iraq?
How about the British Mandate of Mesopotamia after WWI?
How about the Anglo-Iraqi War? Talk about a war for oil!
You guys practically DEFINED imperialism! Don't act like your shite don't stink.
I'm not lecturing anybody, mate, and don't make assumptions about my ethnic background. As for imperialism, every Western country has been at it, including little Italy. The 'trailblazer' was, of course, the Brit Empire, but that itself had taken lessons from the Spanish (hence Cuba being Spanish-speaking) and Portuguese. Then we had the Germans, French, Belgians, and the rest, then Uncle Sam, which prior to WWII only practiced imperialism in Central and Latin America, got stuck in after all the European empires were shagged by the war.
So you're aiming at a straw man. Oh, and who are "you guys"? Don't go blaming me for Brit imperialism. That's as irrational as slagging off all Yanks for US imperialism.
Ha! A Brit lecturing America about meddling in Iraq?
How about the British Mandate of Mesopotamia after WWI?
How about the Anglo-Iraqi War? Talk about a war for oil!
You guys practically DEFINED imperialism! Don't act like your shite don't stink.
Cuba sucks on its own. It doesn't need any help at sucking. Communism always sucks. Such wonderful leaders too like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
Which countries are prospering the most in South America right now? Brazil and Chile. Capitalist countries.
Which countries are going down the crapper? Venezuela comes to mind. Once the most prosperous country in all of Latin America. Now Hugo is grabbing with both hands, shutting down free press and radio, and voting himself dictator for life.
Oh by the way, was that line about Cuba not having death squads and not making dissents disappear supposed to be a joke?
The problem is that extreme capitalism is just as corrupt as extreme communism. Look at where we are today in the capitalist west - big corporations don't care at all about society, and libertarians only care about themselves. It's just the same (in reverse) as a communist state where everything is done in the name of society, no-one has any freedom and making money is considered to be evil.
I get so frustrated that people can't see the irony in the battle between left-wing and right-wing politics - they're both just as screwed up. The only way to a happy society (and hence to happy people) is for all of us to see that the right balance is, as always, somewhere in the middle, ie where the health of society is seen as important but concern for this doesn't dominate people's freedom. You have to be prepared to sacrifice some freedoms for its health, but it all has to be within bounds.
Follow Ayn Rand and all hope is lost, just as much as if you follow Marx!
Oh, and it really doesn't help anyone to drag us back to WWI and before - all countries and governments have things they should be ashamed of, but we really need to focus on the present right now...
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This particular track is on his album "Ronroco"... along with a bunch of other wonderful stuff.
Ha! A Brit lecturing America about meddling in Iraq?
How about the British Mandate of Mesopotamia after WWI?
How about the Anglo-Iraqi War? Talk about a war for oil!
You guys practically DEFINED imperialism! Don't act like your shite don't stink.
Cuba sucks on its own. It doesn't need any help at sucking. Communism always sucks. Such wonderful leaders too like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
Which countries are prospering the most in South America right now? Brazil and Chile. Capitalist countries.
Which countries are going down the crapper? Venezuela comes to mind. Once the most prosperous country in all of Latin America. Now Hugo is grabbing with both hands, shutting down free press and radio, and voting himself dictator for life.
Oh by the way, was that line about Cuba not having death squads and not making dissents disappear supposed to be a joke?
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You guys just amaze me....
You hit it right on the head, Fred.
Now there's a ringing endorsement.
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Nice number, this. 7 from the Nottingham jury.
You hit it right on the head, Fred.
It's not a patch on many other regimes, most of which are supported by the US of A. The only reason that Cuba gets Uncle Sam's goat and is labelled as one of the "most repressive" regimes is that it's been sticking it to the US in its own imperial backyard. There's plenty wrong with Cuban Communism and I can't be doing with the regime's authoritarianism (which oppresses those to the Left of it, such as anarchists and libertarian Marxists, and damages the regime in the long run), but in terms of political repression it's a long way behind US client states in Latin America and beyond. Including, once upon a time, Saddam's Iraq... Political dissenters may be harassed and locked up in Cuba, but they're not murdered by death squads or 'disappeared'.
Nice number, this. 7 from the Nottingham jury.
Fred, The only goat that Castro gets nowadays is that of the Florida Cuban voting block who are against the Castro regime, they are not against the Cuban people. The vast majority of Americans want more open relations with Cuba. It is no longer Cold War politics that dictates the embargo. Florida's electoral votes are too important for a presidential candidate to write off, and it is always a hotly contested state. A pro-Cuba position is still politcal suicide.
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The job of eliminating humans is not an easy one... someone has to do it. It's not for the faint hearted you know! Now, hat's off everyone to a poor man who was butchered by a repressive military for only doing his job.
Regarding Che the revolutionary: Readers of history know well that revolutions that succeed usually do so at the muzzle of a gun. Cuba is not unique in this regard. "Peaceful" revolutions are extremely rare. (The collapse of communism in Eastern Europe was very special in this regard...with the exception of Yugoslavia..., even if it was punctuated with occasional "score-settling.") Democratic revolutions are almost non-existent, because democracy requires patient institution-building and management instead of the usual post-revolution "exciting" political repression and civil war. The American Revolution is special in this regard (even tho' violence, civil war and repression did happen here too, but in the end, a stable state was formed). It was more-or-less guided by Enlightenment intellectuals with a constructive vision of how a state should be run and who built a solid foundation for that which was to come after the revolution. This is what modern revolutionaries often forget...how a state should be built that benefits its citizens as a whole and not just to satisfy some rigid political/religious ideology.
The movie script was constructed from Alberto Granado's memoirs as well. Isn't it possible that Che neglected to brag about all his own actions (the messianic acts of crossing the river despite his health and refusing the gloves at the leper colony) or, to be more cynical about it, saw no need to prop himself up that far as he hadn't intended for the book to be widely published, and that these details were supplied by Granado from either his own memoirs or during consultation for the film? And naturally, for the sake of the movie, Che would be idealized somewhat. It's not a documentary, even if the source material is real.
Also, I haven't read the book but I've read selected quotes that certainly do strongly suggest a "noble revolutionary" in the works. Maybe you just didn't find enough examples of this to satisfy your sense of continuity between the book and film? Or they were expressed in more poetic terms than his political tracts later in life? I dunno, just asking.
I don't believe Che's a saint — in fact what I find so compelling about his story is that he should start on a path that led him to saint-like behaviour and awareness of suffering only to turn to the gun in the end. (I'm also kind of skeptical about sons of priviledge positioning themselves as great leader of the impoverished.) I've read parts of a collection of speeches/essays/letters that he wrote and he sounds like a most reasonable, compassionate man of the people. Yet, he was ruthless in his mission and (as noted down the page) had his own cruelly expedient sense of 'justice.' Interesting contradictions in a person both so reviled and revered by people who know even less about him than I do.
I like how it matches the long trips on the plains. You're very welcome to visit and experience it.
![Argentine pampa Argentine pampa (plain) showing the flat horizon.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Campo_Departamento_Conhelo.jpg)
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