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Posted: Feb 26, 2024 - 12:49am

Voice from a distance..   I  think everyone can understand why the Israeli / Palestine issue is so intractable. You have an ungodly mix of British colonialism, the Holocaust and hundreds of years of Jewish persecution, the three big monotheistic religions colliding, geopolitical interests competing with each other, US domestic politics playing a massive (and distorting) role, Arab identity issues, radical Zionists, etc. etc. 

To think there is a simple solution would be myopic in the extreme. 

A two state solution necessitates some kind of consensus in each state to at least acknowledge the other state's right to exist. And this consensus needs to be sturdy and prevail over time.
With every hothead blowing up a bomb or every settler dispossessing a Palestinian that kind of political consensus gets eroded. Looks like we are miles away from that solution.

A one state solution might indeed be the mathematically cleanest solution, but it's not going to happen as, due to their history, I can't see enough people in Israel ever accepting a state where they are once again the minority. Moreover, when surrounded by nations and Palestinians who repeatedly avow to wipe the state of Israel off the map, I can kind of understand their calcitrance.

It is all pretty depressing. What annoys me most, is how so many in the west jump on the bandwagon and fail to allow any nuance in their analysis. OTOH, what gives me most hope are seeing those numerous cases where Israelis and Palestinians come together and celebrate the richness of their cultures, be it music, cooking or the arts. It looks to me that this region is where the battle of orthodoxy vs. diversity is the most acute on the entire planet. Maybe we would all do better to view the entire conflict from that perspective than to willingly put on the religious/geopolitical blinkers that are so quickly abused and manipulated by arseholes wanting to maintain their grip on power.




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Posted: Feb 25, 2024 - 4:13pm

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I was about to post this discussion.....   I found Ilan Pappé's vision for a one-state solution the most interesting and compelling part of the interview.  

A two-state solution is dead in the water.   Too much opposition in both Israel and the USA Palestine.   The illegal settlers in the West Bank now outnumber the number of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948.



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Posted: Feb 25, 2024 - 12:47pm

I got footage of the self-immolation at the Israeli embassy in DC.

The individual, wearing fatigues, introduces himself as “an active duty member of the U.S. Air Force and I will no longer be complicit in genocide.”

After ignition, he repeatedly yells “Free Palestine.”

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Posted: Feb 25, 2024 - 12:20pm

 R_P wrote:
I was about to post this discussion.....   I found Ilan Pappé's vision for a one-state solution the most interesting and compelling part of the interview.  

A two-state solution is dead in the water.   Too much opposition in both Israel and the USA.   The illegal settlers in the West Bank now outnumber the number of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948.


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Posted: Feb 25, 2024 - 11:03am

Ilan Pappé: In Gaza now, it’s worse than ethnic cleansing

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Posted: Feb 24, 2024 - 7:26pm

Pillage

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Posted: Feb 24, 2024 - 10:29am

Familiar. Security needs trump international law...


Bla-blah-Blinken: "inconsistent with international law," aka illegal.

Meanwhile, the military-industrial-congressional complex continues to profit from this the other war. The U.S. State Department recently boasted of a 56% increase in foreign arms sales in 2023, much of that going to Ukraine. More and more, the State Department is simply a tiny branch of the Pentagon, “negotiating” through arms sales and shipments and boasting of profits from the same.

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Posted: Feb 24, 2024 - 8:10am

A day late and a dollar short.... but significant all the same given the decades of de facto US support for the settlements.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken condemns the Israeli settlements.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 7:59pm

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More deflection but I won't bother pursuing the nuance any further. Still don't have a direct stake in the Chinese government's pronouncements. 

You brought up China. Apologist, much?

Red herrings are all you got to distract from facts (presented by someone you don't like). "Can't say anything nice about China (Russia, etc., etc.) in my tribe."

Again.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 7:56pm

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Aboriginal Australians. More like the equivalent of Palestinians in the context of White colonialism. You knew that already. "But China!"


More deflection but I won't bother pursuing the nuance any further. Still don't have a direct stake in the Chinese government's pronouncements. 

You brought up China. Apologist, much?
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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 7:49pm

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I don't think they indigenous people of Australia (nuances: my understanding is Aborigine is fine in most contexts, Aboriginals is seen as insulting) ... where was I? The indigenous people of Australia don't have much stake in Chinese government pronouncements. That is what you were talking about, right?

Aboriginal Australians. More like the equivalent of Palestinians in the context of White colonialism. You knew that already. "But China!"
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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 5:26pm

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As do the Aboriginals.



I don't think they indigenous people of Australia (nuances: my understanding is Aborigine is fine in most contexts, Aboriginals is seen as insulting) ... where was I? The indigenous people of Australia don't have much stake in Chinese government pronouncements. That is what you were talking about, right?
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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 3:34pm

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The Tibetans would like a word

As do the Aboriginals.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2024 - 3:12pm

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The Tibetans would like a word
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Posted: Feb 21, 2024 - 12:10pm

But, but, BUT...

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Posted: Feb 20, 2024 - 11:04pm

Rugs, cosmetics, motorbikes: Israeli soldiers are looting Gaza homes en masse
Soldiers describe how stealing Palestinian property has become totally routine in the Gaza war, with minimal pushback from commanders.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2024 - 7:33am

Oh Dear!
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