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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 4, 2026 - 7:26am

 rgio wrote:

The album art issue seems pretty pervasive at a database level.  


Yep, the album titles are a problem too. SOMEbody let a script run roughshod over the database and ... do they have a backup? Can they restore anything without causing further damage?
Because no human would take the time to change the title of Beck's Guero LP to "2008-08-31: The Independent, San Francisco, CA, USA" when Que Onda Guero isn't even on that bootleg!

I'm sure it was 20+ years ago that someone, maybe me, probably not, suggested that this portion of RP be a wiki. Worth a reconsider.
rgio

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Posted: Mar 4, 2026 - 5:44am

The album art issue seems pretty pervasive at a database level.  All of Peter Gabriels "So" is listed as New Blood...  https://radioparadise.com/musi...

In seeing this and thinking about the never-ending new thread to report a lost or stolen bit of cover art, car play skipping, etc... maybe THIS thread, or a new one?... should be pinned to the top of the forum list.  It would save a ton of "lost souls", and provide William & Co. one place to keep tabs on stuff.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 11:55am

 kurtster wrote:
Not a bug as opposed to an oversight.  Priorities.  The music itself and the segues were the most important things.  There was a time when we members donated music to the library.

Namasté and thank you Kurt.

kurtster

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 11:43am

 lovehonk wrote:


You registered it before, here on RP, so it's not a new "bug"?


Not a bug as opposed to an oversight.  Priorities.  The music itself and the segues were the most important things.  There was a time when we members donated music to the library.
islander

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 11:42am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I agree but back then if it was wrong it was because someone just assigned the wrong album. Now it seems to be doing some sort of search "what album is this track from?" and going with whatever it finds. That is, some songs that used to be correct now have wildly incorrect info. 

Example: Remember the "back room AU" that I started on the Bobby Bare Jr. song (a long time ago when the forum was broken but song comments were working)?

William was a little put out at first but then manually replaced the album art
With this album cover from Ry Cooder's "Paradise & Lunch"
But now it's been overwritten by this compilation album info:
Which, again, looks like a good album to own but... at least in this case the song is, in fact, on that compilation.


Man you are old. Let me know when you want to go yell at some clouds together.
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 11:37am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I agree but back then if it was wrong it was because someone just assigned the wrong album. Now it seems to be doing some sort of search "what album is this track from?" and going with whatever it finds. That is, some songs that used to be correct now have wildly incorrect info. 

Example: Remember the "back room AU" that I started on the Bobby Bare Jr. song (a long time ago when the forum was broken but song comments were working)?

William was a little put out at first but then manually replaced the album art
With this album cover from Ry Cooder's "Paradise & Lunch"
But now it's been overwritten by this compilation album info:
Which, again, looks like a good album to own but... at least in this case the song is, in fact, on that compilation.




Remember the "back room AU"  ...  Wow, that takes things back awhile.  

Yeah, I have noticed a lot of the album art changing lately.  There was a huge addition to the library what a year or so ago and the dates were a generic something or other with no art IIRC.  Might it have something to do with the tune code coding numbers used for royalty payments ?  I don't know but I did look into that fustercluck a few years ago.  Just keeping up with that might be a full time job especially with all the new mixes and remasters coming out.  If I'm not mistaken, some of these are very much album specific.


And then to finish the thought of all the outages and disruptions going on ... once upon a time we were all listening to one feed via dial up and 128 mp3's.  Recent members have no clue as to how far we've come.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 11:15am

 kurtster wrote:


Noticed that ages ago and just sort of gave up on trying to correct these types of things.


I agree but back then if it was wrong it was because someone just assigned the wrong album. Now it seems to be doing some sort of search "what album is this track from?" and going with whatever it finds. That is, some songs that used to be correct now have wildly incorrect info. 

Example: Remember the "back room AU" that I started on the Bobby Bare Jr. song (a long time ago when the forum was broken but song comments were working)?

William was a little put out at first but then manually replaced the album art
With this album cover from Ry Cooder's "Paradise & Lunch"
But now it's been overwritten by this compilation album info:
Which, again, looks like a good album to own but... at least in this case the song is, in fact, on that compilation.
lovehonk

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 10:43am

 kurtster wrote:


Noticed that ages ago and just sort of gave up on trying to correct these types of things.


You registered it before, here on RP, so it's not a new "bug"?
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 10:38am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Point being: a lot of songs are listed as being from these odd releases when they're not. If they are, that's cool, but the information is not reliable.


Noticed that ages ago and just sort of gave up on trying to correct these types of things.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 9:41am

 kurtster wrote:


Depends on the version.  Fake stereo album versions are from the US editions of Magical Mystery Tour.

The only true stereo album version I know of are German pressings.  

https://www.discogs.com/master...
 
And the lord only knows about the singles versions.


Point being: a lot of songs are listed as being from these odd releases when they're not. If they are, that's cool, but the information is not reliable.
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 9:29am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:




I figured I would find some Beatles songs that are sourced from the Butcher Baby album. I didn't but Penny Lane is from what now? Discogs says Capitol 1979 "Unofficial Release" 


Depends on the version.  Fake stereo album versions are from the US editions of Magical Mystery Tour.

The only true stereo album version I know of are German pressings.  

https://www.discogs.com/master...
 
And the lord only knows about the singles versions.
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 9:22am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


It's just weird how—somehow—the source disc cited is often correct despite being the most obscure K-Tel cutout bootleg 10-inch remaster and not just the actual studio album it's from.

I figured I would find some Beatles songs that are sourced from the Butcher Baby album. I didn't but Penny Lane is from what now? Discogs says Capitol 1979 "Unofficial Release" 

It's weird that it links to an obscure bootleg like that.  It's probably the alternative mix of the tune that has an extra trumpet flourish at the very end - I used to have it on some bootleg years ago.
dischuckin

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 9:11am

still get the occasional (like once or thrice a day) random music stoppage... it's after a song that has the station shoutout cut in. just a slight annoyance that i have to go to 'what's playing' & click play to get it going again. win11,chrome
guess it's good to get some silence now and then
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 8:43am

 Proclivities wrote:

Yeah, that's from a 1995 live album called "Isle of View".


It's just weird how—somehow—the source disc cited is often correct despite being the most obscure K-Tel cutout bootleg 10-inch remaster and not just the actual studio album it's from.

I figured I would find some Beatles songs that are sourced from the Butcher Baby album. I didn't but Penny Lane is from what now? Discogs says Capitol 1979 "Unofficial Release" 
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 8:06am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
...Pretenders - Live at the Palladium 1980 does not/cannot have this version of Back on the Chain Gang on it because the song was written in 1982-ish after James died.

Yeah, that's from a 1995 live album called "Isle of View".
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 3, 2026 - 7:48am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I can't imagine how hard it's going to be to unfuck the database* but TIL that there's a bootleg Elvis Costello album out there from 1978. This song isn't on it.

*These sorts of things are extremely common, especially when it comes to album art. e.g.: Love & Rockets song played earlier is showing a Tones on Tail ep. So it's never totally arbitrary.



I do appreciate how whatever happened to the database is pulling some pretty frickin' rare (to me) albums out of the aether to track down. But
Pretenders - Live at the Palladium 1980 does not/cannot have this version of Back on the Chain Gang on it because the song was written in 1982-ish after James died.

discogs for the bootleg

So it's cool in a way despite being completely inaccurate for many of the songs played on RP.
RadioParadisio

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Posted: Mar 2, 2026 - 7:51pm

Feature request —- I miss having access to song comments directly in the app. Can that be brought back as a “option” to toggle on or off? 
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Posted: Mar 2, 2026 - 7:50pm

It’s nice that there are still humans doing human things for human reasons and willing to talk to us openly about it.

You think that seems quaint? Give it ten more years. If that. 
haresfur

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Posted: Mar 2, 2026 - 4:54pm

 William wrote:

Someone suggested a postmortem report on the last set of incidents. That's a great idea. I'll be doing a blog post soon. Maybe I can weave all of the details into some grand philosophical treatise. Love me a grand philosophical treatise.

But, in the meantime, I've given this a lot of thought and these things seem true:

1. Doing things in an orderly, methodical fashion is a lot easier when you're dealing with proven, documented systems & tools rather than inventing everything as you go.

2. Some aspects of my personal psychology really get in our way.

Here's an example: the normal workflow when developing or updating software is to configure and test everything in a 'sandbox' or development environment, and to only deploy to production (public-facing) servers when you're sure everything is working correctly. 

That requires separate servers just for testing and development. In the early days of RP luxuries like that were out of the question. I felt lucky to have even one dedicated database server, and buying or leasing another one would take money I'd rather spend it on expanding our stream relay network. So much sexier, y'know. 

So I developed what they call a "cowboy coding" approach: trying out new features and fixing bugs on the same servers — and database data — that you depend on to deliver our streams, apps, & website. Frantically typing raw SQL commands and writing nasty BASH scripts as everything melts down because of a semicolon. A FREAKIN' SEMICOLON! The stress of moments like that — so many moments like that — has probably taken a year or ten off my lifespan. Especially when it comes to semicolons. The least useful bit of punctuation in the mongrel tongue being force-fed to the entire world, but the whole web would grind to a halt without 'em.

The hopefully-final straw is that, for a variety of reasons, this time around I was more aware than ever of how difficult my working style makes things for others. Cowboy coders are generally a solo act, and RP is much more of a rock band at this point. When a band is in the groove, getting people off their asses and onto the floor, the last thing they need is for the keyboard player to announce between songs that he'd just converted to the Church of A432, and that they needed to stop, ignore their audience, and retune all of their instruments to match. 

The audience, all jacked and sweaty just moments ago, is left standing around, bored and disappointed — and the keyboard player's assurances that the disruption is all in service of a glorious greater good don't really help. 

So, apologies to all of you — and my bandmates — for the disruptions. We'll be setting up that development server.  And I'll be using it.  

3. Something else that I — and several others involved — bring to the table is a kind of irrational optimism that leads us to assume that whatever we're doing will happen smoothly & quickly, without any problems. That leads one to ignore the need to deeply research potential problems in advance, and to treat a superficial understanding of something as good enough.

CarPlay integration in the new iOS app is a good case in point. There were three of us making the key decisions about the app, and none of us had ever actually used CarPlay. We assumed that we knew enough to accurately assess things and make the right choice. Obviously, we were wrong. If we'd taken the time to do our homework we would have known that before we'd disrupted our relationship with thousands of loyal listeners. Like you.

I'm sorry.  


I've seen bigger problems along this line created by much bigger, well funded companies. I'm looking at you Sonos.

We're cool, you're cool, the music is cool. Thank you for everything
czar

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Posted: Mar 2, 2026 - 4:54pm

Thank you William and Alanna for those heartfelt updates! If I've been critical, it's because I love RP and want it to continue to be the amazing resource it has been since the early days..

I'm sure many of us have different use cases for RP (which is reflected in the many choices you give us to tune in). Personally, I don't typically have the luxury of listening while at work, and I'm usually focused on other things while at home, but I love to listen in the car, which sometimes accounts for several hours of my day. So any features that help me to pre-download a cache (or three) and easily/safely play it back in the care are important to me. Rating songs (again, easily and safely while driving) elevates the whole listening experience in numerous ways as well.

Thanks again for your passion for what you do, and I'm looking forward to an amazing iOS app!
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